cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4112192
Men that carried out terrorist attack on concert in Russia received funds from Ukraine.
A terrorist Russophobic rightwing country with unlimited money is behind the funding of the terror attack in Russia by rightwing extremists.
I thought they were running out of money? Whatever happened to that “aid” package?
there’s billions in dirty money washing around the corrupt circles, there’s plenty of slush to be used for vengeance. They’re running out of men and weapons, but that’s because the west can’t keep up production.
not to mention the fact that it’s easy to drum up a nationalist media campaign a lot harder to get mother fuckers to put their life on the line for that bullshit. Ukraine would literally need every woman and man fighting to be able to win that stupid fucking war over a protracted time.
sorry that war upsets me so fucking much I literally went insane when it started
I will continue to test the hypothesis that “even if you blindly buy into Russian propaganda 100% of the time, you’d still end up right 70% of the time.”
Remind me in one year and see how this plays out by then.
I think that 70% is a little low.
Nazi Arming Terrorist Organization strikes again.
Is there a better source on this than RT?
The source is the FSB. The article simply quotes the FSB claim citing the FSB as the source.
Are you saying you want a source that isn’t the FSB?
Or are you saying you think RT is lying that the FSB said this?
I’d prefer a source that isn’t the FSB tbh lol.
Well you are shit out luck because they are the ones doing the investigation on terror attacks in Russia.
Is there a reason to believe the FSB more than any US security agency? They definitely have incentive to lie about it.
It’s also possible that they just received a lot of money from different sources and one of them was from Ukraine
I understand this, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna take the information an intelligence agency of a country is saying at face value.
Idk I guess I was hoping to put the facts into at least 2 contexts so I could better understand what is going on I guess. I generally don’t rely on RT to give me enough information on its own. That would be sorta foolish imo.
Edit: also, yeah the FSB is going to put out the statement they want to put out, idk if they’re “lying” or something, but I don’t take it as authoritative anymore than I take law enforcement in my own country as authoritative.
Edit 2: also it doesn’t really matter cause I’m “just some guy” on the Internet, I don’t get to know the truth till 2-5 years after the fact anyway.
Hold on, you’re saying sweet and innocent Ukraine would do something like this?
- even
I wouldn’t be surprised, but the evidence presented here is nonexistent lol. So far, what’s more apparent is that the US has the most involvement if anything considering they “had intelligence” on an attack and even warned Americans in Russia to avoid crowded places. I’m surprised this wasn’t mentioned in the article.
One of the Ukrainian ministers supposedly made a thinly veiled boast about “celebrating” with their “Russian brothers more” following the attack - but I’m assuming it’s fake news because that’s a pretty damning statement but the Russians never mentioned this either.
they say they have financial links with transactions. if you’re going to say they are lying, that’s fine but most nations don’t just data dump documents during an ongoing investigation. Just say Russia is lying. But their claim is that they have evidence.
I’m not saying they’re lying. Just that they haven’t provided any evidence to us, while the circumstances so far has leaned towards American involvement. I believe that one or more of the attackers said they did it for money, and that it was paid to them via card, so those two things are the only public record we have so far of a non-religious entity involved. Obviously they’re not going to show anything during an investigation, but I’ll reserve my judgement until something more concrete is shown. Someone here made a compelling case of Ukraine going rogue and the US “warning” ahead of time because their plans are in conflict with each other.
Leaked Hillary Clinton Emails Revealed NATO Killed Gaddafi to Stop the Formation of “A United States of Africa”
Nazis at it again.
Not surprising as ISIS is a US proxy
it ultimately doesnt matter wether it was the ukraine or daesh. its america either way and nothing but the total physical removal of that settler colony and all of its genocidal inhabitants will suffice for world peace.
I’m having a little trouble with the ISIS-US connection. Got any references so I can read more?
CIA has been arming them for a long time against Syria and Iran in its proxy war in the Mid East
isis was created by the us and its saudi and kuwaiti allies from freed iraqi criminals after the 2003 war. they were used as “moderate rebels” in the 2011 libya war and are known to get healthcare, weapons and training in turkey, a nato member. they always attack us enemies, but almost never us allies. israel in particular is known for having a surprisingly positive relationship with them, as they even apologized to the zionist entity for accidentally attacking them. the trump administration also murdered general soleimani who was instrumental in fighting against daesh and biden is continuing this pattern.
What was it… Operation Timber Sycamore? Where USA supplied weapons got “oopsided” into the hands of the ISIS groups operating in Syria against the Syrian government.
Also… ever wonder why ISIS only seems to attack places that the USA is opposed to militarily? How often do we hear of ISIS attacks on US Troops in Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Kuwait?
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Putin is not a leftist.
With “leftists” like we got in the west, thank god
lol who said he was? we’d all love a second bolshevik revolution and to see him dead or sweeping the streets of Tobolsk, but at the moment he’s poking the eye of a worse hegemon.
So would you have cheered on hitler’s germany or japan because they were against the US?
The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
nazi germany was worse than the US was at the time lmao what are you smoking?
Worse in what ways? Imperialism? Global empire? Capitalist control of world productive capacities?
I think the US and England were bigger global empires than germany at the time.
uh the fucking holocaust? stalin shouldn’t have stopped at berlin but the colonizing the cracker empires were doing at the time wasn’t nakedly exterminationist
what the fuck is wrong with you?
no in that instance you would cheer on the u.s. (albeit critically) for siding against the nazis and fascists
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Russia is not imperialist like The USA and NATO empire is though, and he is an ally of China and is helping Africa develop. That makes him hundreds of time better than Washington
And if the US empire were to collapse over night, Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role. It is not better, it is literally exactly the same. It is all just competing global power politics of different segments of the global ruling class.
Note if China were to become the world hegemon, that would be an improvement compared to the US because they actually have a political ideology other than hoarding wealth and power.
And if the US empire were to collapse over night, Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role.
Being a materialist is when you subscribe to great man theory. How would the Russian Federation (because Putin is a 71 year old man and presumably wouldn’t live to see a Pax Russiana) step right in to fill the same exact role? How would Russia take on the role of NATO or the IMF/WB, Western tools of imperialism that Russia isn’t even a part of? At least people crying about so-called Chinese imperialism could gesture towards the BRI as the Chinese equivalent of the IMF. What the fuck does Russia have?
It is not better, it is literally exactly the same.
Tell that to the people of Latin America or the people of Africa or literally anywhere else in the world that is not Europe. There’s a reason why people in AES support Russia and people in the other AES go around waving Russian flags as they tell the French to gtfo. The fact of the matter is Russia doesn’t have the legacy of colonialism like the West has, and people have long memories.
In Africa, Russia has always played an anti-imperialist role, even going back to Tsarist Russia under Nicholas II (yes, that Nicholas) when they supported Ethiopia against Italian imperialism, ensuring that Ethiopia was the only African state (Liberia was a US proxy state, so they don’t count) to be a free and sovereign African state during the scramble for Africa. And this was Russia under some shitty anti-Semitic tsar. I don’t even need to go over what Russia as part of the Soviet Union did on behalf of the people of Africa. Westerners enslave Africans for more than 4 centuries and have the typical Western arrogance to think that Wagner Group killing African civilians or some Russian diplomat being anti-Black is somehow equivalent.
It wouldn’t be better but it wouldn’t be worse either. This is a unmaterialist take. Russia doesn’t have the global spanning military empire America took a literal century to build.
The unmaterialist take is to not realize that were russia to attain the hegemonic position in global geo-politics it wouldn’t build bases in exactly the same way.
Bourgeois Nation-states serve capitalism. Whichever one is globally the most powerful gets the funding from global corporations to protect their interests globally. They don’t care if that is the US or russia. They’ll use either one for that aim.
This is all hypothetical and speculative. What is actually happening right now? We can’t just assume without evidence that it would be the same.
You understand that America built its huge expansive empire before the invention of the hypersonic missile correct? There is not going to be another empire in the way America did it literally ever. America may very well be the only nation in the history of humanity to have built its empire literally uncontested by any other nation on earth. Every other nation was blown to bits and the ones that weren’t blown to bits were abysmally poor, and even the ones that were abysmally poor were also blown to bits. Could Russia figure out a way to build something like America a different way? Maybe, but that’s pretty unlikely.
Again, radlibs getting mad at hypotheticals
It is the definition of reactionary to cheer on any enemy of your enemy no matter who they are.
I don’t cheer on nazis when they blow some government building up in the US, like in oklahoma city for example, just because i am against the policies of the US.
Segments of the global bourgeoisie fighting each other for global control through various bourgeois nation-states is not something that is beneficial for communists at all.
So was stabilizing Syria and destroying ISIS imperialist? Is the invasion of Ukraine to destroy NATO-backed fascist militants imperialist?
I’ve heard this shit from you westoids forever and you’re always wrong. Anti-imperialism isn’t “enemy of my enemy”. It’s being part of the actual global coalition that destroys the hegemony, alongside AES nations.
I disagree, Russia’s foreign policy has been way better than the USA and they have not participated in the same predatory lending practices that the USA has with developing nations. If the USA were to collapse, Russia would most likely undergo a revolution since the U.S. fascists wouldn’t be able to back the struggling bourgeoisie like it has done in the past.
Also saying that Russia would take US place is very naive. Russia doesn’t have the same level of alliance the US has with Europe. A disappearing USA will just make the global south stronger
Edit: Also Russia is an ally of China and is helping Africa. Moreover, Russia is now killing Nazis. Therefore, supporting Russia against Nazis and NATO is the right move. Right now Russia is hundreds of times better than the USA. Once the USA disappears we’ll worry about what’s next
And if the US empire were to collapse over night, Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role.
We aren’t dealing with hypotheticals. We’re dealing with material reality as it is right now.
Note if China were to become the world hegemon, that would be an improvement compared to the US because they actually have a political ideology other than hoarding wealth and power.
China is probably Russia’s most important ally.
Putin would step right in to fill the same exact role
Russia unlike the US doesn’t have the corpse of the British Empire and 50% of the world’s industrial capacity to piggyback off like the US did after WW2
Empires do not all have the same capacity, means, or internal structures that can guarantee a one-to-one replacement theory like you just asserted
The idea that the Ruble could ever become the equivalent of the US petrodollar is anti-historical and anti-materialist and if that won’t happen how on earth would Russia dominate global capitalism the way the US currently does?
i think russia doesn’t have the navy or globe-spanning military bases to do that?
They would if they got in a position to build them. (i.e. if the US stopped hegemonic control of the global order and allowed russia to do so)
The only reason America was able to build an empire of its size is because it was in the radically fortunate position of being the only developed nation that wasn’t bombed to shit after world war 2. It was uncontested in its imperial efforts for pretty much the entire duration of it too. The odds of this same thing happening for Russia is 0. It might not ever happen again in human history.
What is a leftist exactly? Is the guy a communist? No. Is he allied to communists? Yes. Is he fighting imperialism? Yes.
Fighting imperialism? Lmao. He’s a billionaire oligarch exactly like any US ghoul.
Fighting imperialism, like democracy or voting or anti colonialism, doesn’t automatically make you a good person nor are you required to be one to do these things.
I love articles about his networth.
Like this one. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/business/vladimir-putin-wealth-sanctions/index.html
Nobody knows but it’s definitely gorzilliom dollars.
They do the same with Castro and any pushback is met with “is it really that hard to imagine a dictator hoarding wealth?”
Google Stalin net worth and mfers will say with a straight face “the entire productive capacity of the soviet Union”.
to be fair, they had to produce a very large spoon, which took the full industrial capacity, just so he could eat the full agricultural capacity.
Is he fighting imperialism?
only by accident. don’t forget the critical part of critical support. the enemy of our enemy isn’t our good friend.
It’s not an accident, and intentions don’t matter only actions. Radlibs never cease their mind reading moralizing
sorry i meant accident as in circumstance. he’s by no means a reliable friend.
Tell that to the millions of Syrians he saved from western backed jihadist fascism.
He’s the foremost anti-imperialist force on Earth currently, adopting the stances of KJU with the military and geopolitical might to back it up. Meanwhile China putts around trying to placate the west still, and meanwhile half the global south is run by open compradors. Why don’t you focus your ire on our enemies who are many instead of our foremost friend in a small group of friends?
Also literally everything that has ever happened is due to circumstance. We are materialists here right?
You really don’t have to hand it to Putin.
You do
He is not allied with communists let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
He is allied with AES nations such as the DPRK, that’s a fact
I said this in another comment sorry for double posting. Keep in mind is entire career he tried to ally himself with the west up to the point they literally went to war with him. Putin does not get a pass just because he’s allied with with these nations, we need to come at this from the position of “the least he could do is have good relations with these nations”
Putin is not a communist so his actions, while much better than the US, should be seen under the lens of right wing and be criticized as such when applicable.
STOP MORALIZING. STOP MIND READING. LOOK AT REALITY
You gonna actually point anything out? or just keep typing in caps because it makes your non point look better? What are you even saying at this point. It shouldn’t be out of hand to admit Putin has done good things, but we should be skeptical of a guy who tried to join the Nazi club for his entire career. He doesn’t get a cookie for having what should be considered normal relations to the global south you fucking ding dong.
i just want you to use historical materialism evenly instead of haphazardly and drop your western programming of russiaphobic exceptionalism. For Putin and only Putin we mind read and judge based on hypotheticals.
Let’s be real, he is not allied with communists.
He’s allied to DPRK, Cuba, Venezuela and China. If they aren’t communists then nobody is
Keep in mind is entire career he tried to ally himself with the west up to the point they literally went to war with him. Putin does not get a pass just because he’s allied with with these nations, we need to come at this from the position of “the least he could do is have good relations with these nations”
Still, it’s hard not to feel a little bad for him being like Homer Simpson trying to join the no Homers club
Yeah he sucks and he was trying to join an evil organization but they were such assholes to him on a personal level, like they just rejected him for being Russian
Not the communists I was referring to, and aligning with states which practices an ideology is not the same as supporting and sanctioning said ideology. He represses communism at home because he likely understand the threat they pose to his power.
I don’t care. The primary contradiction is more important.
Thank god I’m just some nobody, so I can wait to make up my mind until some evidence is released
Sir please remain seated Seymour Hersh will be here in 8 months to water down what you could tell at face value into confusing shit about how the British and Ukrainians planned this independently of US intelligence. Because that is definitely how everyone downstream of postwar OSS diaspora behaves for sure Hersh
Did Hersh update his story or something? His initial report stated that American intelligence and special forces with the help of the Danes or one of those ice people sabotaged the pipelines. Don’t think he even suggested it was Ukrainians. That was the NYT or WaPo
His account was the US and Norway. He really honed in on Norway actually, based on its military diving expertise and shared interest with the US in exporting oil and gas to the rest to the Europe
Nordstream bombing was on 26 september 2022
Norway opened gas pipeline to Poland 27 september 2022, literally a day after.
the Danes or one of those ice people
You’re right.
SH got a bad rep later for the other article on Ukraine GENERAL TO GENERAL about some truce negotiation between Zaluzhny and Gerasimov. That piece gathered a lot of criticism and even got people to consider him being compromised now.
