Our demands
Return the site’s moderation practice to it’s former, libs-banned-on-site glory.Move forward to a new, glorious form of banning theory inspired by TC69 thought, while learning from it’s mistakes, and listening to neurodivergent comrades- Reinvigorate the heart of this site’s community, c/furry
- Remove r*ddit karma
Critical support for TC69. It sounds like she made some mistakes while going through a rough patch. While I think alienating members of c/neurodiverse was a bad move, it seems like some people in this thread have an ax to grind and are using the opportunity bash her. I think she did a lot of good for the site and things would be very different if she didn’t step in.
I agree but I do think their axes to grind seem somewhat justifiable.
On the other hand, she’s the only reason it’s the site was ever a safe space for trans people. A complete commitment to dunking on bigots is essential. That doesn’t mean that people don’t have valid criticisms of how she moderated, just that there was some merit to it
And you maybe right, but I don’t know. There are have been other occasions where I’ve seen people write negative things about her and it’s always rubbed me the wrong way. I’m willing to accept good faith criticisms of her actions like the one I mentioned before, but certain comments in this thread don’t sit right with me. Attempts at revisionism perhaps? I don’t know.
I think that, historically, people criticizing TC69 were always transphobic pieces of shit so I don’t think you’re wrong to feel that way
Something definitely did happen with the c/furry mod team, though , which means some aspect of these criticisms have to be correct. I’m not sure what, though, and it may not have even been TC69’s fault.
ok maybe im living up to my username here but to me TC69 is like the Stalin of mods
valid to criticize for stuff like recriminalizing homosexually (or ableism), invalid to criticize bc of red scare shit (or transphobia). they both did a lot of good overall
TC69’s vision for the site was entirely orthogonal to it’s original purpose. Better for some people? Absolutely. Other’s hated it, because it was taking the sub away from it’s /r/cth roots, and so obviously the people that wanted to stay true to that style of posting are going to be bitter about her and her tenure.
TC69 was one of the only admin voices that tried to help bring down the vegan circlejerk migration struggle session
miss her for that
What is TC69?
I’m modding as hard as I can here. Please report any liberalism in this comm and it shall be swiftly adressed.
@TransComrade69@hexbear.net a former mod/admin I forgot which, stopped posting not sure why
she was one of the original admins
Ah, thanks. Forgot which.
They were great but they were also trigger happy. “Liberalism” to them often boiled down to “an opinion I don’t like.” Which honestly they were right more often than they were wrong by a pretty significant margin, but they also pushed some genuinely good people off the site in the early days who were really trying to positively contribute to the community for no reason other than “BAN ANYTHING THAT EVEN REMOTELY SNIFFS OF LIBERALISM.”
I don’t know if they were right or not. I understand why they were a bit controversial at the very least.
You can check her pronouns right there through the link. There’s no excuse to misgender hir.
In no way am I intending to misgender them. They is generally accepted as a non gendered pronoun unless someone specifically asks not to be referred to as them. I don’t really know them well enough to know their opinion on it. I’m open to hearing other opinions from trans comrades here about it but all the trans folks I know in real life (many, including my partner) have informed me many times that they/them as a default for someone you don’t know is generally accepted as fine. I don’t really want to start a struggle session on it but I am happy to listen and learn from trans comrades here too and take that conversation to the trans folks dear to me
There’s a tendency among people in general to misgender trans women and specifically trans women by referring to them with singular ‘they’ despite the fact that other pronouns are clearly listed at the top of their profiles. I had actually been reading a few posts on a different site today by trans women I know being affected by this same phenomenon, which was one of the reasons I was particularly peeved.
I think that in the digital era it’s very inexcusable to get the wrong pronouns for someone: you’re always just one or two mouse clicks away from knowing someone’s pronouns (since they’re always in someone’s profile 99% of the time). I understand that you might not have meant anything by it! I myself was affected by a bunch of internalized transmisogyny
for some timewhat milistanaccount09 said was bananas and sounds like TC69 thought. milistanaccount09 is a 2 month old user, and you and D61 are here 3 years so i dont think youre transphobes. milistanaccount09 should have clicked your profile link and figured out the intent instead of going rabid.
Just because someone has been here three years doesn’t exempt them from criticism. For all you know, milistanaccount09 maybe a long time poster who started a new account.
isnt “they” is what people use when they don’t know the gender? I use it all the time in help desk tickets since many names i couldn’t guess the gender. ive been on this site too much and never seen someone be miffed about using “they.”
yeah but it also becomes the liberal’s version of misgendering for people who don’t 100% pass or who a lib just wants to be shitty to. It’s simply misgendering but with plausible deniability in many cases, so people on here (where basically everyone has pronouns listed) get a little touchy about it since there’s kinda no excuse at that point
yes, how dare that person(who commented above) not click the profile link and check out what a long inactive and once problematic admin preferred, instead of defaulting to “i don’t know.” What an egregious crime.
Let’s not be a parody of ourselves. It’s important to read a persons intent and not just their words.(which sounds like me being a lib, but it’s the internet. youre reading words without any tone or emotion so you have to process it differently)
Good thing I didn’t say that
I’m not saying crucify them, geez, I’m just explaining why it’s sometimes touchy despite generally being “the default when you don’t know”. That user is talking about how they were around at the time and knew her/were driven away by her, so idk, it’s not 100% unreasonable, esp considering gender figures heavily in her username, but it’s also almost certainly a misunderstanding. Still, no reason to be hostile to a minor correction either. It’s fine.
The addition of the “and once problematic” bit makes it sound like you’re suggesting that she deserves to be misgendered some amount because you don’t respect her. I don’t expect that’s what you meant but you might want to change that wording.
the attitude of “ban anything that even remotely sniffs of liberalism” did lead to an incident where TC69 banned a user for a small misunderstanding, then doubled down and re-banned the user with no explaination after the other admins unbanned them, and then basically the entire c/neurodiverse mod team quit the site because or that.
hugely problematic behavior from a site admin. an unapologetic “everyone with a bad take or who ever upsets a frequent user deserves to be banned” is lazy moderating and hurts ND people
edit: fuck i posted from the bit account by accident
Yeah I never really liked TC69s style. She was big on assuming the worst when people disagreed with her, then digging her heels in and using her clout to foment a dogpile. I think it was good all the transphobes got banned, but she kind of just banned whoever she wanted and then said they were transphobic or whatever.
She also made two huge “I’m leaving you’re all transphobes” posts as far as I can recall.
It was around the same time a lot of people got banned for reacting negatively to how r/vcj got onboarded. Nowadays the story was a bunch of sweet old vegans just got harassed as soon as they showed up. Guess I never got called acw: sa
rapist
for drinking milk. Disagreeing with this onboarding in any way was likely to get you banned too.
Now rewrite that comment using Finger’s speaking mannerisms.
I was going to be part of that mod team and didn’t, and then disappeared, because of that incident. So yeah. Unfortunately very aware
Oh, that’s what happened. Holy shit, I’ve been confused about what happened to the mod team for literally years. Were some of the c/furry mods part of that exodus? I remember some of them leaving
No: more half measures Walter
Some of them were definitely on the c/furry mod team. Reason that mod team kinda just dissapeared without saying anything is because the incident was about “im leaving” callout posts, which led to the ban of “im leaving” posts in general, and the modteam (if i can recall) was too alienated and sad to really fight anymore about it. Hoping for a revival of that comm soon
I always felt the ban of those was weird. The opposition to “drama” felt like a knee jerk attempt to avoid having to actually process issues as a community.
Actually banning I’m leaving posts is good, because they’re only ever shit stirring
it was because the admins themselves were making “I’m leaving” posts in a really abusive way, which included not actually leaving.
No more half measures Walter
indeed
You are best mod, thank you for what you do.
Aw shucks
TC69 did nothing wrong and the fact that this place is known as a safe space for trans folks is thanks to her.
The majority of the userbase prefers to be a hugbox. They’ll even post racist shit to scare folks off to keep it that way. I don’t think there is any winning this battle but I would laugh my balls off at a bunch of users getting instantly slumped for ableism if we started taking it seriously.
It would be good and thats why it won’t happen.
They’ll even post racist shit to scare folks off to keep it that way.
Uh what?
I support the removal of up/downvotes. I believe it makes posting feel too competitive.
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