Our demands
Return the site’s moderation practice to it’s former, libs-banned-on-site glory.Move forward to a new, glorious form of banning theory inspired by TC69 thought, while learning from it’s mistakes, and listening to neurodivergent comrades- Reinvigorate the heart of this site’s community, c/furry
- Remove r*ddit karma
They were great but they were also trigger happy. “Liberalism” to them often boiled down to “an opinion I don’t like.” Which honestly they were right more often than they were wrong by a pretty significant margin, but they also pushed some genuinely good people off the site in the early days who were really trying to positively contribute to the community for no reason other than “BAN ANYTHING THAT EVEN REMOTELY SNIFFS OF LIBERALISM.”
I don’t know if they were right or not. I understand why they were a bit controversial at the very least.
the attitude of “ban anything that even remotely sniffs of liberalism” did lead to an incident where TC69 banned a user for a small misunderstanding, then doubled down and re-banned the user with no explaination after the other admins unbanned them, and then basically the entire c/neurodiverse mod team quit the site because or that.
hugely problematic behavior from a site admin. an unapologetic “everyone with a bad take or who ever upsets a frequent user deserves to be banned” is lazy moderating and hurts ND people
edit: fuck i posted from the bit account by accident
Yeah I never really liked TC69s style. She was big on assuming the worst when people disagreed with her, then digging her heels in and using her clout to foment a dogpile. I think it was good all the transphobes got banned, but she kind of just banned whoever she wanted and then said they were transphobic or whatever.
She also made two huge “I’m leaving you’re all transphobes” posts as far as I can recall.
It was around the same time a lot of people got banned for reacting negatively to how r/vcj got onboarded. Nowadays the story was a bunch of sweet old vegans just got harassed as soon as they showed up. Guess I never got called a
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rapist
for drinking milk. Disagreeing with this onboarding in any way was likely to get you banned too.
Now rewrite that comment using Finger’s speaking mannerisms.
No more half measures Walter
indeed
I was going to be part of that mod team and didn’t, and then disappeared, because of that incident. So yeah. Unfortunately very aware
Oh, that’s what happened. Holy shit, I’ve been confused about what happened to the mod team for literally years. Were some of the c/furry mods part of that exodus? I remember some of them leaving
No: more half measures Walter
Some of them were definitely on the c/furry mod team. Reason that mod team kinda just dissapeared without saying anything is because the incident was about “im leaving” callout posts, which led to the ban of “im leaving” posts in general, and the modteam (if i can recall) was too alienated and sad to really fight anymore about it. Hoping for a revival of that comm soon
I always felt the ban of those was weird. The opposition to “drama” felt like a knee jerk attempt to avoid having to actually process issues as a community.
Actually banning I’m leaving posts is good, because they’re only ever shit stirring
This is my point, though. “Shit stirring” isn’t an issue unless issues haven’t actually been fully resolved (or it’s someone repeating something blatantly offensive on purpose). If something has been generally processed and come to a conclusion as a community, someone trying to bring it back up again would just be rightfully dismissed. I feel like it’s a red flag when a community has to crack down on discussions about itself. It has the same vibe as people refusing to communicate in a relationship because they don’t want to cause issues.
Plus the stated reason, that being that nobody cares if you leave, is just flat out wrong. People get attached to individual users and while it isn’t the healthiest it’s weird to try and ignore that instead of addressing it directly
Well I’d rather not have a struggle session every time someone decides to leave. We have enough struggle sessions. If people want to resolve issues, the time to do it is as a participant in the community, not as a parting shot
Good point
it was because the admins themselves were making “I’m leaving” posts in a really abusive way, which included not actually leaving.
Like, the furry comm mods were? I don’t remember them doing anything particularly controversial at all. They just seem to have disappeared.
no, a couple of the old admins did
there was one night where shit got really weird
No the site admins. TC69 made two herself I think. One for the r/vcj shitshow and one for the pronouns.
You can check her pronouns right there through the link. There’s no excuse to misgender hir.
isnt “they” is what people use when they don’t know the gender? I use it all the time in help desk tickets since many names i couldn’t guess the gender. ive been on this site too much and never seen someone be miffed about using “they.”
yeah but it also becomes the liberal’s version of misgendering for people who don’t 100% pass or who a lib just wants to be shitty to. It’s simply misgendering but with plausible deniability in many cases, so people on here (where basically everyone has pronouns listed) get a little touchy about it since there’s kinda no excuse at that point
yes, how dare that person(who commented above) not click the profile link and check out what a long inactive and once problematic admin preferred, instead of defaulting to “i don’t know.” What an egregious crime.
Let’s not be a parody of ourselves. It’s important to read a persons intent and not just their words.(which sounds like me being a lib, but it’s the internet. youre reading words without any tone or emotion so you have to process it differently)
Good thing I didn’t say that
I’m not saying crucify them, geez, I’m just explaining why it’s sometimes touchy despite generally being “the default when you don’t know”. That user is talking about how they were around at the time and knew her/were driven away by her, so idk, it’s not 100% unreasonable, esp considering gender figures heavily in her username, but it’s also almost certainly a misunderstanding. Still, no reason to be hostile to a minor correction either. It’s fine.
lotta liberals out there using “they” in an aggressive way? sure if you say so. In my experience liberals arent smart enough to know how to use the word “they” properly.
I’ve had it done to me before I started using she/they with the intent of refusing to accept that I’m a “real woman”. It tends to be used as a way to refuse to use someone’s correct pronouns, and instead handwave their identity as unimportant, but the lib still gets to feel progressive. Imo it’s only proper to use they/them as a default when you have no way of knowing someone’s pronouns.
It’s a Thing, yeah, idk what to tell you
oh it absolutely happens. i know a dude who self-ids as strictly gay but is dating a pre-everything trans woman and exclusively refers to her with they/them pronouns. just as a fun example.
just bc you haven’t encountered a behavior doesn’t make it imaginary, and this one is harmful to trans people.
The addition of the “and once problematic” bit makes it sound like you’re suggesting that she deserves to be misgendered some amount because you don’t respect her. I don’t expect that’s what you meant but you might want to change that wording.
In no way am I intending to misgender them. They is generally accepted as a non gendered pronoun unless someone specifically asks not to be referred to as them. I don’t really know them well enough to know their opinion on it. I’m open to hearing other opinions from trans comrades here about it but all the trans folks I know in real life (many, including my partner) have informed me many times that they/them as a default for someone you don’t know is generally accepted as fine. I don’t really want to start a struggle session on it but I am happy to listen and learn from trans comrades here too and take that conversation to the trans folks dear to me
There’s a tendency among people in general to misgender trans women and specifically trans women by referring to them with singular ‘they’ despite the fact that other pronouns are clearly listed at the top of their profiles. I had actually been reading a few posts on a different site today by trans women I know being affected by this same phenomenon, which was one of the reasons I was particularly peeved.
I think that in the digital era it’s very inexcusable to get the wrong pronouns for someone: you’re always just one or two mouse clicks away from knowing someone’s pronouns (since they’re always in someone’s profile 99% of the time). I understand that you might not have meant anything by it! I myself was affected by a bunch of internalized transmisogyny
for some time
what milistanaccount09 said was bananas and sounds like TC69 thought. milistanaccount09 is a 2 month old user, and you and D61 are here 3 years so i dont think youre transphobes. milistanaccount09 should have clicked your profile link and figured out the intent instead of going rabid.
Just because someone has been here three years doesn’t exempt them from criticism. For all you know, milistanaccount09 maybe a long time poster who started a new account.