I’m just showing these comments I saw earlier, which were interesting. Since it is true, that we’ve been hearing that “Russia is cornered”, since the invasion started. I personally just want this shit to end.
These comments are relating to an article from this week.
I wonder if we will ever know what truly happens on the ground (i.e. when it comes to casualties and many other things)
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They did a coup in 2014 with the help of Nazi militias.
Nice condescending ableism at the end there. Libs stay classy.
Uh… what the fuck are you on? Can I have some?
The coup in 2014 happened because Yanukovych chose at the last minute to not sign a free trade deal with the EU, but rather wanted closer economic ties to Russia. This is despite the fact that the parliament had overwhelmingly approved the original deal. Protests began immediately (this was in November of 2013). Hundreds of thousands of people across the nation were pissed off. Both the protestors and parliament called for Yanukovych to step down. He refused, and enacted harsh anti-protest laws in response. Things escalated. Eventually, after weeks of clashes with the police, the protestors won out and Yanukovych fled. He then begged Moscow to intervene.
This gave Russia all the justification it needed to seize Crimea so that they could have unfettered access to Sevastopol, which is where they had been basing their Black Sea fleet for like 200 years.
So, like… I get that you’re all rah rah communism rah rah… but how are you going to then shit on an extremely popular people’s movement that ousts the entrenched power system? That seems pretty in-line with your professed beliefs.
Were you also dropped on your head as a baby?
Im kind of sick of having the same pointless “debate” about established facts with dumbass ignorant dog-headed do-nothings dickhead like you, about how the “revolution” was led by far-right militias 1 2 3 4 5 because you never engage with the texts, you all repeat same tired thought-terminating cliches while being weird condescending debatebros that think you’re the cleverest pig in the mudpile. So instead I’ll link you this video, which you can ignore, misrepresent, strawman and nitpick instead.
Looking forward to seeing you ask this same question very soon, despite already having had it answered!
Liberalism 101:
Liberals do not argue in good faith. Every time they start JAQing off and question the validity of your claims, they mean to attack your character and have no interest in the claims themselves. It is not contradictory that they ask the same questions again and again, because their questions aren’t questions, they’re attacks.
Yeah, but you never know, once in a blue moon they’re genuine, and really it’s more about the lurkers than the poster. However that also means that as soon as they’ve been responded to in good faith it’s immediate mockery if they fail to do so themselves as well
It would be great if Euromaiden was an actual popular revolution that turned control over to the people, but any legitimate popular energy was hijacked by western-backed right wing forces. This is evident by the fact that the grassroots protest leaders where shut out of the new government to make space for neo-Nazis handpicked the US state department (you can hear Victoria Nuland say “fuck the EU” around 10 mins into this video before selecting the new Ukrainian cabinet).
And hey, I too used to be a smug liberal who looked down upon everyone who wasn’t in lock step with US propaganda, but if you’re trying to convince people of something I’d recommend you don’t bookend every comment with reddit-ass insults to people’s intelligence.
That’s seriously
, like how was it a popular movement when the next president was a literal billionaire oligarch who supported the protests?
Wasn’t that guy voted out as soon as there were formal elections though?
Nevertheless, that still means there are millions of Ukrainians who would prefer association with the EU over Russia. I think a lot of people take issue with the framing of it all as an artificial coup without popular support because that implies there’s no one in Ukraine who wanted (however misplaced we might find it) to be in the EU and aligned with the US?
It was about 30% vs 30%. Here’s from the UK government Scoping Study:
Note: Customs Union = Eurasian Customs Union which was the Russia’s alternative with Belarus and Kazakhstan. For the most part, Yanukovych wanted to appease to both sides, and was punished by the ultranationalists for it.
However, supporting EU integration doesn’t mean supporting the coup.
I think that implication mistakeningly conflates the protests with the resulting coup. The protests had real popular energy behind them and spotlit grassroots leaders (until the western-backed literal Nazis took center stage). The coup pushed those people and their interests aside in favor of whoever Victoria Nuland favored.
Putin actually outlined it well in his statement in 2022
The offloading of military equipment is just a byproduct
Didn’t Putin say that he would only serve two terms as leader and not change the rules to keep power?
For some reason, I just don’t trust that guy.
This is the height of liberal “analysis”, not a hint of rigor or knowledge of the factional politics or geopolitical pressures that determine what choices are viable for leaders to make
No, instead it’s just vibes based politics arrived at thru bullshit personal intuition
“I DoNt tRuST tHaT gUY” give me a fuckin break, say something thats even half way incisive
I recognize that username, it’s the same person who defended dropping nukes on Japan over on Lemmygrad.
lmao of course, the opinions these maggots share are all stamped out of a DC think tank template
No what matter what, the US state department is always right
Agree with everything you say, but let’s not do that.
Respectfully but why? Is there a particular reason I shouldn’t call a bunch of bootlicking fash “maggots”?
Not the person above but dehumanizing enemies is unnecessary unless your essential message is hate and genocide. Fascists aren’t monsters from another dimension, they are regular-ass people. That’s part of what makes it so fucked up. My leftism is bound up with humanism and I don’t want to lose my humanity in order to save humanity.
Edit: misgender corrected
Someone cited a speech Putin gave.
I pointed out Putin has a long history of lying [and other shady activities]
What part confused you?
Biden has a long history of lying and other shady activities, yet you accept his narrative uncritically.
It is true that politicians are not always truthful. Unfortunately you have to educate yourself to determine what the lies are, not just pick a team and a set of lies to believe.
I am once again begging you Marvel brained libs to recognize that Russia is a country not a guy in a costume.
Are you saying that Putin and Russia are indivisible?
I’m saying the national interests of the Russian Federation are not decided on the whims of an evil madman. And when you reduce them to a single person you fall into self blinding behaviors like completely ignoring a speech to the world about a nation’s cause for war when determining that country’s motivation for going to war.
So, you’re saying the Russian Federation had a vote on the issue?
You saw something like the wager mutiny happen and seriously think that absolutely no-one backed that because Putin would simply kill them all with his dictator mind powers rather then the country genuinely supporting him?
Hitler and Mao had a lot of popular support, too.
This you doing apologia for the murder of 200,000 Japanese civilians and Korean POWs?
every single fucking time
So, you’re saying that if it was you and your family were Burmese/Korean/Vietnamese and people were being raped and killed on a daily basis, you would have asked the Americans NOT to bomb?
Also, go outside and touch the grass. This kind of third rate cyber stalking is kind of creepy. Memorize the names of people in your neighborhood and don’t obsess over people on the interwebs.
Tens of thousands of Korean slave laborers died in those nuclear blasts my man. The USA has never given a fuck about helping anyone who wasn’t bourgeois. They dropped the bombs to warn the Soviets to stay out. Try to read history that wasn’t written by Nazi apologists.
So, you personally would have let the Japanese keep on raping and killing your family rather than have the US drop the bomb?
‘Yes’ or ‘no.’
The Japanese had been begging to surrender for six months—on one condition, that the emperor retain a ceremonial position. The USA granted this condition after the surrender because they didn’t actually care and thought that a fascist leader would be useful in fighting communism, which is also why they placed fascist collaborators in charge of South Korea, thereby leading directly to the Korean War.
Yes, or no.
It’s not that complicated.
This might be hard for a genocial monster like you to understand but most victims of violence do not wish further violence upon others let alone mass violence on everyone they know and love to “make the pain stop.” Those people would’ve preferred to actually be alive right now you fucking demon.
“Would you incinerate thousands of defenseless women and children to save your family?”
What a deluded fucking question holy shit
Not even “to save your family.” His question was less than that. Would you kill those people, just to do something? No requirement that the action is effective, only that it demonstrate your protest against your situation.
Dropping the bomb didn’t force Japanese surrender. It just ensured that surrender was to the Americans rather than Soviets.
No, I would not kill thousands of innocent uninvolved people for no reason, knowing that it would have zero effect on my situation. Tbh, even if it would save my family, I’d struggle to kill 200,000 innocents (trolley problem).
Miss me with the “yes or no” smug loaded question.
So, you’re saying that if it was you and your family were Serbian/Korean/Vietnamese and people were being raped and killed on a daily basis, you would have asked Bin Laden NOT to do 9/11?
spoiler
Also for the record I saw someone else saying they recognised your username from your last warcrimes apologia and so just checked your account on lemmygrad and it was the last comment that had federated with grad
So, you couldn’t actually answer ‘yes’ or ‘no.’
Also, I don’t think using 9/11 as an example of ending a war is really all that smart.
It’s already been explained to you that the nuclear bomb did not cause the surrender or end the war, it was just a show of power against the Soviet’s, here’s an article about it: https://web.archive.org/web/20150106195034/https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/ (internet archive link because the original is locked behind a pay wall)
Any argument that the bomb saved lives in the long run is either a lie or purposely ignorant, now on the other hand if you wanted to say that the Japanese civilians deserve it for not overthrowing their fascist government that’s when comparisons to 9/11 come up (because it’s the exact same argument that Bin Laden used)
It’s good that the USA didn’t employ unit 731 to kill hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese/Burmese/Koreans after WW2. That would have been terrible.
The nukes were definitely dropped to save those people.
Wait what
I knew about the nazis BUT FUCKING UNIT 731?!
Yeah it’s called the military industrial complex, maybe you heard of it
Or maybe you actaully believe all those nazis who couped the government in 2014 did it for the “love of democracy” and not for the western paychecks in the form of massive arms transfers
Fuck it doesn’t even need to be arms transfers, lord only knows how much dark money is being sifted around this conflict. Hell, Zelensky was already in either the Panama Papers or was it the other one? Who knows how much pure cash is just floating around or weapons are being sold around Eastern Europe.
Zelesnkyy is a hundred millionaire before the conflict. I have to imagine he’s in the billions by now, after 150+ billion dollars sent to Ukraine that he’s been grafting off of
When do you think the war will end? Just guess at the date. I am curious.
The US has legalized bribery, military contractors make their money by lobbying for war, ans politicians see military spending as economic stimulus. The SMO is a direct response to the Westerm side (US vassals) constantly escalating and refusing to implement Minsk 2 during active shelling of Donbas population for 8 years. The SMO itself was announced shortly after a significant uptick in shelling of Donbas by UA.
This approach of constant escalation, of pushing far beyond what their own countries would and havw tolerated, is a function of the MIC. It’s a big part of the reason that war is desirable to those making decisions. They frame it as being strategic, a way to increase “national security” and launder a new campaign to “update” arsenals against mounting “threats” (potential peers).
Through a decades-long campaign to encircle the country, undermine its trade influence and development, and push hard against red line issues they know will trigger significant responses from them. It is no surprise that poking the bear gets a response and this was all very intentional. Shelling of Donbas by Ukraine escalated massively shortly before the announcement of the SMO, for example.
What invasion are you referring to, here?
@Civility!