I’m just showing these comments I saw earlier, which were interesting. Since it is true, that we’ve been hearing that “Russia is cornered”, since the invasion started. I personally just want this shit to end.

These comments are relating to an article from this week.

I wonder if we will ever know what truly happens on the ground (i.e. when it comes to casualties and many other things)

  • half_giraffe [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    2 years ago

    but how are you going to then shit on an extremely popular people’s movement that ousts the entrenched power system?

    It would be great if Euromaiden was an actual popular revolution that turned control over to the people, but any legitimate popular energy was hijacked by western-backed right wing forces. This is evident by the fact that the grassroots protest leaders where shut out of the new government to make space for neo-Nazis handpicked the US state department (you can hear Victoria Nuland say “fuck the EU” around 10 mins into this video before selecting the new Ukrainian cabinet).

    And hey, I too used to be a smug liberal who looked down upon everyone who wasn’t in lock step with US propaganda, but if you’re trying to convince people of something I’d recommend you don’t bookend every comment with reddit-ass insults to people’s intelligence.

    • BelieveRevolt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 years ago

      was an actual popular revolution that turned control over to the people

      That’s seriously jesse-wtf, like how was it a popular movement when the next president was a literal billionaire oligarch who supported the protests?

    • GivingEuropeASpook [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 years ago

      It would be great if Euromaiden was an actual popular revolution that turned control over to the people, but any legitimate popular energy was hijacked by western-backed right wing forces.

      Nevertheless, that still means there are millions of Ukrainians who would prefer association with the EU over Russia. I think a lot of people take issue with the framing of it all as an artificial coup without popular support because that implies there’s no one in Ukraine who wanted (however misplaced we might find it) to be in the EU and aligned with the US?

      • SimulatedLiberalism [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        2 years ago

        It was about 30% vs 30%. Here’s from the UK government Scoping Study:

        It is clear from the results of recent opinion polls (see Appendix C below) that the majority of the Ukrainians do not have an informed opinion about the European integration processes. On average, opinion polls show that about 30% of respondents are in favour of European integration, 30% - for the Customs Union, and about 30% are undecided. The share of citizens supporting the two blocks at the same time remains stable (25-30%). One trend during 2011-2012 is noteworthy - the number of supporters of integration with Customs Union increased at the expense of the “undecided”.

        Note: Customs Union = Eurasian Customs Union which was the Russia’s alternative with Belarus and Kazakhstan. For the most part, Yanukovych wanted to appease to both sides, and was punished by the ultranationalists for it.

        However, supporting EU integration doesn’t mean supporting the coup.

      • half_giraffe [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        2 years ago

        think a lot of people take issue with the framing of it all as an artificial coup without popular support because that implies there’s no one in Ukraine who wanted… to be in the EU and aligned with the US.

        I think that implication mistakeningly conflates the protests with the resulting coup. The protests had real popular energy behind them and spotlit grassroots leaders (until the western-backed literal Nazis took center stage). The coup pushed those people and their interests aside in favor of whoever Victoria Nuland favored.