I’m just showing these comments I saw earlier, which were interesting. Since it is true, that we’ve been hearing that “Russia is cornered”, since the invasion started. I personally just want this shit to end.

These comments are relating to an article from this week.

I wonder if we will ever know what truly happens on the ground (i.e. when it comes to casualties and many other things)

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    This is the height of liberal “analysis”, not a hint of rigor or knowledge of the factional politics or geopolitical pressures that determine what choices are viable for leaders to make

    No, instead it’s just vibes based politics arrived at thru bullshit personal intuition

    “I DoNt tRuST tHaT gUY” give me a fuckin break, say something thats even half way incisive

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        lmao of course, the opinions these maggots share are all stamped out of a DC think tank template

        No what matter what, the US state department is always right

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              Not the person above but dehumanizing enemies is unnecessary unless your essential message is hate and genocide. Fascists aren’t monsters from another dimension, they are regular-ass people. That’s part of what makes it so fucked up. My leftism is bound up with humanism and I don’t want to lose my humanity in order to save humanity.

              Edit: misgender corrected

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                I understand your viewpoint and there’s nothing wrong with that humane approach, but I’d be a hypocrite if I pretended that spoke to me, it honestly doesn’t

                I’m genuinely not interested in humanizing fascists, the various plans people like that have for people like me prevents me from taking a proposition like that seriously

                Fascists in power and in the streets might as well be “monsters from another dimension” for the effect they have on my life and the people I care about, I can’t afford to subscribe to any philosophy that could potentially diminish that crucial recognition

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                  I think we agree on the important part, fascists have to be taken seriously. I don’t endorse kid gloves in dealing with fascists. I just feel that calling them maggots is thought-terminating, it is a crude imitation of the fascists’ own language, it does not actually do anything except to encourage fascist-like thought patterns even if nominally leftist. Fascists provide enough material to prove themselves vile; we don’t need to hand them any possible claim of victimization on the basis of “free speech” or whatever usual nonsense works to get liberals to defend them since after all, through liberal eyes, all ideology is sacred, only action can be immoral.

                  In general, it is a choice and definite strategy to dehumanize people. There is no dichotomy of humanize or dehumanize. They continuously dehumanize themselves through their ideology, it is sufficient to point to the ideology and let it speak for itself.

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                    I’m sorry but that’s basically a dedux of respectability politics, I’m really not interested in even accepting a debate framework like that because it’s fundamentally a pre-compromised position, since your opponent will always define what is and isn’t respectable, hence your worry of “we don’t need to hand them any possible claim of victimization”

                    Fascists also did not invent the concept of political insults or caricatures, and my use of insults sends a signal to lurking fash in this online space (and they are lurking) the same way a baseball bat in the hands of a bartender sends a signal to any fash scouting for potential friendly gathering locations

                    And most importantly dehumanization of enemies alone is not the basis of fascist language, instead it’s the racialization of enemies thru class collaboration that defines the fascist lexicon

                    If I wanted to “imitate” fascist language, I’d be using racial slurs instead of just a figurative comparison to insects

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      Someone cited a speech Putin gave.

      I pointed out Putin has a long history of lying [and other shady activities]

      What part confused you?

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        Biden has a long history of lying and other shady activities, yet you accept his narrative uncritically.

        It is true that politicians are not always truthful. Unfortunately you have to educate yourself to determine what the lies are, not just pick a team and a set of lies to believe.