• Mindfury [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    of course this thread became a fucking struggle session about emojis because someone’s mad we have a burning russian federation one

    death to israel

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    In a just world, after this is all over members of the Knesset and IOF must be hanged for crimes against humanity and Israel should receive the Rhodesia treatment

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      I remember how German citizens were forced to see the concentration camps when the Nazis were defeated.

      With that in mind, Israelis must be forced to see what they have done. All Israelis have to be forced to see the concentration camp. Conscript IDF members to dig bodies out of the rubble. Make them learn the names of the people they murdered. I don’t think support would be nearly as high if they were actually looking.

      Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.

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        Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.

        Nah, Stalin got it right the first time when he said they should execute 50,000 Nazi officers; apply his thinking here and maybe this time don’t be so conservative.

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          And instead of killing them Dulles and the rest of the Nazi US government gave them jobs in NATO, the CIA, the West German government etc. very cool.

          The more you learn the more the phrase “Nazism wasn’t defeated in WW2, it was internationalised” makes sense.

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        Nah, the Israelis support this pretty much across the board, acting like they just don’t know what they do is incredibly naive.

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          I’m certain a lot of them only support it in an abstract sense and don’t grasp what they’re actually supporting. Internal media doesn’t show the bodies being dug out of the rubble or the literal thousands of mutilated children or interviews with the survivors or the other horrors in the Gaza concentration camp. I’m certain if we rubbed their noses in it that the crimes would sink in. They’re still human, they just aren’t seeing.

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              Served in the IDF to drop bombs from thousands of feet away or inside drone bases miles away or inside armored vehicles with only screens to see the world with. The actual boots-on-the-ground engagement is low by design.

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        I believe the majority of the israeli people would clap and guffaw when seeing what the idf has done, i think their indoctienation unironically goes deeper than ww2 germans

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          They see very little, actually. Soldiers see the people they kill on little screens, from a long distance away and sometimes without color. Civilians back home don’t even see that, they just see propaganda.

          And it’s not just literally seeing that I’m talking about. Can they hear the begging and crying children? Can they smell the burning corpses and open defecation? Taste the air filled choked with silicates and smoke? There’s a whole sensory experience of this genocide that they’re missing out on. I want to rub it in, make it stick.

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            IOF Nazis literally post about their crimes on TikTok and Telegram. For the people who follow these channels, you need full on re-education to bring back their empathy - not just a trip to the concentration camp.

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              I did also say they should undergo forced labor if you recall. Also be forced to learn the names of their victims.

              A tour of the ruins would merely be the first step of a long process. 👍

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        They sit on hills in lawn chairs and laugh and cheer as they watch bombs land on children! They have no morals, they are evil and should be executed, they will not feel bad for what they’ve done

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          Imagine for a second what a mass execution on that scale does to the society that perpetrates it, especially those directly doing it. Killing hollows people out. No matter how justified. It hurts the person doing it. I mean thats an underdiscussed problem with the death penalty, the fact that it turns the executioner into a killer. I dont want to share space with someone capable of the coldness necessary to carry out state murder.

          Its simply not practical, even if you think it is justified (and as a strict rehabilitationist, i would argue against that too).

          Also institutions of mass execution have a way of self perpetuating.

          Im fucking infuriated by this article too. And my first gut is blood for blood too. But when i think about the consequences of that, I know its not right.

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            It hurts the person doing it.

            I’m sure learning that your family was brutally murdered while seeking humanitarian aid also hurts. I bet it hurts learning that people you knew were crushed under trucks. I bet it hurts knowing that cumskins all over the world make excuses for the barbaric extermination of your people, make excuses for the IOF perpetrating it. I bet it hurts that as people react to the very real deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians, there are people like you who insist on defending against even the hypothetical idea of Israelis receiving any justice for what they have done in cold-blood and with full intent. I know how it makes me feel, I can’t imagine how it might make someone living in this hell feel. Probably like burning the whole ass world down.

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            Yeah, whenever I see someone post this kind of stuff, I kind of get the urge to have them put in a situation of “your new job is killing the people you want to see killed 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, they will be tied up and you may use a claw hammer or a machete, but you must meet a daily quota of kills” and see how quickly their enthusiasm wears off.

            When you look at the breadth and scope of the groups these people are demanding to be killed, you’re realistically looking at creating an entire sector of the economy whose sole purpose is the efficient mass-killing of human beings for years if not decades. Maybe the people advocating these things would be okay with such a society, but it’s not the kind I joined the left to fight for, and contrary to what capitalist propaganda would have you believe, it’s not the kind that successful revolutionaries have historically created.

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      The Nazis built the death camps as a method of improving the cost-effectiveness of their campaign of extermination. The Israelis are not concerned with cost-effectiveness as their implements of genocide are provided to them free of cost by the USA.

      Meanwhile, Alabama has literally began using gas chambers.

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        Most death camps didn’t start out as death camps either. They started out as internment and labor camps at the start of the war, and were left to fester with starvation and disease as the Germans got stretched thinner. Towards the end, in 1942, the Germans agreed on a policy of mass killings in the camps as a way to cover it up/destroy the evidence when it became more clear they were losing against the Soviets

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      They already have been gassing the tunnels and have killed some of their own hostages.

      They are literally gassing Jews, it’s crazy what Israel gets away with

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      as long as they don’t they probably figure they’re still better than the Nazis

      which we all know is not true, but i wouldn’t be surprised if they had that rationale

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      Zionazis downplaying it already -

      Gaza aid-distribution deaths a ‘tragedy’: Israeli official

      An Israeli government spokesperson has described the Palestinian casualties during aid distribution near Gaza City as a “tragedy” and claimed initial indications were that deaths were caused by delivery drivers ploughing into a crowd.

      “At some point the trucks were overwhelmed and the people driving the trucks, which were Gazan civilian drivers, ploughed into the crowds of people, ultimately killing, my understanding is, tens of people,” spokesperson Avi Hyman told reporters.

      “It’s obviously a tragedy but we’re not sure of the specifics quite yet.”

      Separately, the Times of Israel reported that an initial army probe suggested Israeli gunfire caused only some 10 casualties out of the hundreds of people allegedly hurt and killed.

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        When the scale of the killing was uncovered, they began reporting the crowd “threatened” the IDF soldiers by moving towards them. So the IDF opened fire.

        It’ll keep getting twisted. Soon they’ll say there was Hamas operatives among the people.

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    In the spoiler text below, there is a comment from Ben-Gvir about this, per Al-Jazeera. I’m putting it in spoiler text because it’s horrific and will probably make you very angry. Death to Israel.

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    Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir says the provision of humanitarian aid to Palestinians in Gaza endangers Israeli soldiers and must stop after more than 100 Palestinians were reported killed while trying to get aid in Gaza City.

    “Today it was proven that the transfer of humanitarian aid to Gaza is not only madness while our hostages are held in the Strip … but also endangers IDF soldiers,” Ben-Gvir said, calling the deliveries “oxygen to Hamas”.

    The incident is “another clear reason why we must stop transferring this aid”, he wrote on X.

  • I was into the Palestinian liberation movement before I was even a socialist (when I was 16 or whatever I was a Ron Paul gooner). It’s probably the thing that made me realize—oh damn, literally everything I’m being told about the world outside the imperial core is a fucking lie. I fucking saw the Jeffrey Epstein thing coming from a mile away—one of my former roommates dead ass woke me up to tell me the news and I lost my shit. *hot goth chick intern punts me in the back of my head with a broom stick* What I’m trying to get at here is, holy fuck I’ve become such an apathetic lazy coward. Time to fucking change that.

    Death to Israel.

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      my sister is dating an ex-idf soldier (american who went over, colonized for a bit, and came back), which is almost worse in my opinion. I was hoping they would break up (still have a chance, they are only a couple months in and have already been on-off), but idk what I’ll say to him if i ever have to meet him.

      if the first words out of his mouth aren’t “oh my god I was so young and stupid and I am spending as much time and money and energy to rectify my mistake” then my next words will make my sister probably never want to talk to me ever again lol.

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      Very good!!!11 This way, we can make sure, that this decades long conflict goes on for even more decades and that many more people die on both sides.

      1.000 dead Israelis, 30k dead Palestinians. We totally need that 7 more times!!!1111

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        Are you done repeating your npc lines?

        What you seem to understand but refuse to accept is that Israel is a settler colonial state commiting genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinian people. In fact Israel’s whole foundation was an illegitimate state being created by ethnically cleansing the local population.

        Hamas( qassam brigades) is a legitimate armed resistance against an occupier ( Israel). In fact, according to international law, Hamas has more legitimacy defending themselves against Israel than Israel does to “defend” itself from the people they are occupying.

        Israel has been the colonial occupier for 75 years. Ever since then they’ve been conducting terror campaigns of ethnic cleansing against Palestinians. And now their genocidal intentions are plain for even the most unwilling to see.

        So when someone says death to Israel, they mean death to the settler colonial genocidal state of Israel. So saying that absolutely does make sense. And hopefully from that will come a single secular state where the Palestinians can live as equals with israelis, and not be treated as subhuman slaves.

        So I’m telling you all of this to hopfully spark some awareness in you, if not now then maybe sometime you’ll think back on this. But i know you’ll probably just continue trolling. One can only hope for the best.

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          where the Palestinians can live as equals with israelis

          1. That’s impossible, the colonizers and the colonized can never live as equals.

          2. Kicking out colonizers is cool and good, actually.

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            That’s impossible, the colonizers and the colonized can never live as equals. Kicking out colonizers is cool and good, actually.

            Strip them of their special status and they’re no different. I believe many ex-Israelis would have to stay and accept that they’ve lost their privilege/work for the nation on equal footing.

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              Regardless of equality under the law, there will always be tension and straight up racism. And considering there are more Israelis than Palestinians, the system will inevitably begin to favor Israelis again. It will become an informal system like America today rather than a formal system like South African Apartheid or American segregation.

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                Well the reason I said “many” is because it’s obvious a huge number would leave voluntarily when their colonial wreck is overthrown, and another number would have to be repressed/deported. Hard to believe this majority would stand then if we understand that the reason these settlers stay is because of the privilege they have and the stolen goods they reap.

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            You’re correct, maybe i worded it incorrectly. I feel like the dual nationalty holders should go back to their original countries and Jews who were born there can appeal for citizenship, after a hell of a lot of reperations. Israelis shouldn’t exist in the new secular state because it should be a new country.

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        The number of Palestinians slaughtered by the genocidal Israeli state is much higher than 30k. History did not begin on October 7, 2023. Abolishing the Israeli state and returning the stolen land to its rightful Palestinian owners will end the conflict. We want peace more than anything else, but while the violence continues, Palestinians have the right to resist their oppressors by any means necessary.

        We totally need that 7 more times!!!1111

        I said October 7th a thousand more times, dumbass. Most literate Zionist.

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        1.000 dead Israelis, 30k dead Palestinians. We totally need that 7 more times!!!1111

        You probably jerk off to that idea you jumped up little nazi freak

        Listen up and listen well, Palestine is going nowhere and Israel will fall, this war has made it inevitable :)

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        Israel almost folded and shitted itself to death over one attack. An overwhelming revolution and destruction of Israel is the only way to have peace in the Middle East. Israel is a festering malignant tumor and it needs to be excised for the body to heal

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        I am once again posting Aime Cesaire. Discourse on Colonialism is such an essential reading, imo. It is so powerful, and it’s haunting how aptly it describes israel.

        TW: mention of violence, SA, racism

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        First we must study how colonization works to decivilize the colonizer, to brutalize him in the true sense of the word, to degrade him, to awaken him to buried instincts, to covetousness, violence, race hatred, and moral relativism; and we must show that each time a head is cut off or an eye put out in Vietnam and in France they accept the fact, each time a little girl is r*ped and in France they accept the fact, each time a Madagascan is tortured and in France they accept the fact, civilization acquires another dead weight, a universal regression takes place, a gangrene sets in, a center of infection begins to spread; and that at the end of all these treaties that have been violated, all these lies that have been propagated, all these punitive expeditions that have been tolerated, all these prisoners who have been tied up and interrogated, all these patriots who have been tortured, at the end of all the racial pride that has been encouraged, all the boastfulness that has been displayed, a poison has been instilled into the veins of Europe and, slowly but surely, the continent proceeds toward savagery.

        And then one fine day the bourgeoisie is awakened by a terrific reverse shock: the gestapos are busy, the prisons fill up, the torturers around the racks invent, refine, discuss.

        People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: “How strange! But never mind — it’s Nazism, it will pass!” And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth from themselves, that it is barbarism, but the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism that sums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were its victims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, it had been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism, that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole of Western, Christian civilization in its reddened waters, it oozes, seeps, and trickles from every crack.

        Yes, it would be worthwhile to study clinically, in detail, the steps taken by Hitler and Hitlerism and to reveal to the very distinguished, very humanistic, very Christian bourgeois of the twentieth century that without his being aware of it, he has a Hitler inside him, that Hitler inhabits him, that Hitler is his demon, that if he rails against him, he is being inconsistent and that, at bottom, what he cannot forgive Hitler for is not crime in itself, the crime against man, it is not the humiliation of man as such, it is the crime against the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the c**lies of India, and the blacks of Africa.

        And that is the great thing I hold against pseudo-humanism: that for too long it has diminished the rights of man, that its concept of those rights has been — and still is — narrow and fragmentary, incomplete and biased and, all things considered, sordidly racist.

        I have talked a good deal about Hitler. Because he deserves it: he makes it possible to see things on a large scale and to grasp the fact that capitalist society, at its present stage, is incapable of establishing a concept of the rights of all men, just as it has proved incapable of establishing a system of individual ethics. Whether one likes it or not, at the end of the blind alley that is Europe, I mean the Europe of Adenauer, Schuman, Bidault, and a few others, there is Hitler. At the end of capitalism, which is eager to outlive its day, there is Hitler. At the end of formal humanism and philosophic renunciation, there is Hitler.

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      since you can just read and see the news

      Here in Brazil the largest news outlet’s headlines read as follows: Confusion leads to a hundred deaths in Gaza; Food distribution leads to a hundred deaths, Hamas accuses Israel; Number of dead in Gaza surpassses 30k, according to Hamas.

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      Now the libs are saying it was the truck drivers panicking because the crowd started a riot.

      There will be no last straw. The lines have been drawn