I remember how German citizens were forced to see the concentration camps when the Nazis were defeated.
With that in mind, Israelis must be forced to see what they have done. All Israelis have to be forced to see the concentration camp. Conscript IDF members to dig bodies out of the rubble. Make them learn the names of the people they murdered. I don’t think support would be nearly as high if they were actually looking.
Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.
Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.
Nah, Stalin got it right the first time when he said they should execute 50,000 Nazi officers; apply his thinking here and maybe this time don’t be so conservative.
I don’t think those ideas conflict; Execute every last one of the officers (and the Knesset) and force the non-officers and civilians who supported this to do the cleanup.
I believe the majority of the israeli people would clap and guffaw when seeing what the idf has done, i think their indoctienation unironically goes deeper than ww2 germans
I’m certain a lot of them only support it in an abstract sense and don’t grasp what they’re actually supporting. Internal media doesn’t show the bodies being dug out of the rubble or the literal thousands of mutilated children or interviews with the survivors or the other horrors in the Gaza concentration camp. I’m certain if we rubbed their noses in it that the crimes would sink in. They’re still human, they just aren’t seeing.
Served in the IDF to drop bombs from thousands of feet away or inside drone bases miles away or inside armored vehicles with only screens to see the world with. The actual boots-on-the-ground engagement is low by design.
They sit on hills in lawn chairs and laugh and cheer as they watch bombs land on children! They have no morals, they are evil and should be executed, they will not feel bad for what they’ve done
Imagine for a second what a mass execution on that scale does to the society that perpetrates it, especially those directly doing it. Killing hollows people out. No matter how justified. It hurts the person doing it. I mean thats an underdiscussed problem with the death penalty, the fact that it turns the executioner into a killer. I dont want to share space with someone capable of the coldness necessary to carry out state murder.
Its simply not practical, even if you think it is justified (and as a strict rehabilitationist, i would argue against that too).
Also institutions of mass execution have a way of self perpetuating.
Im fucking infuriated by this article too. And my first gut is blood for blood too. But when i think about the consequences of that, I know its not right.
Yeah, whenever I see someone post this kind of stuff, I kind of get the urge to have them put in a situation of “your new job is killing the people you want to see killed 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, they will be tied up and you may use a claw hammer or a machete, but you must meet a daily quota of kills” and see how quickly their enthusiasm wears off.
When you look at the breadth and scope of the groups these people are demanding to be killed, you’re realistically looking at creating an entire sector of the economy whose sole purpose is the efficient mass-killing of human beings for years if not decades. Maybe the people advocating these things would be okay with such a society, but it’s not the kind I joined the left to fight for, and contrary to what capitalist propaganda would have you believe, it’s not the kind that successful revolutionaries have historically created.
I’m sure learning that your family was brutally murdered while seeking humanitarian aid also hurts. I bet it hurts learning that people you knew were crushed under trucks. I bet it hurts knowing that cumskins all over the world make excuses for the barbaric extermination of your people, make excuses for the IOF perpetrating it. I bet it hurts that as people react to the very real deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians, there are people like you who insist on defending against even the hypothetical idea of Israelis receiving any justice for what they have done in cold-blood and with full intent. I know how it makes me feel, I can’t imagine how it might make someone living in this hell feel. Probably like burning the whole ass world down.
They see very little, actually. Soldiers see the people they kill on little screens, from a long distance away and sometimes without color. Civilians back home don’t even see that, they just see propaganda.
And it’s not just literally seeing that I’m talking about. Can they hear the begging and crying children? Can they smell the burning corpses and open defecation? Taste the air filled choked with silicates and smoke? There’s a whole sensory experience of this genocide that they’re missing out on. I want to rub it in, make it stick.
IOF Nazis literally post about their crimes on TikTok and Telegram. For the people who follow these channels, you need full on re-education to bring back their empathy - not just a trip to the concentration camp.
I remember how German citizens were forced to see the concentration camps when the Nazis were defeated.
With that in mind, Israelis must be forced to see what they have done. All Israelis have to be forced to see the concentration camp. Conscript IDF members to dig bodies out of the rubble. Make them learn the names of the people they murdered. I don’t think support would be nearly as high if they were actually looking.
Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.
Nah, Stalin got it right the first time when he said they should execute 50,000 Nazi officers; apply his thinking here and maybe this time don’t be so conservative.
I don’t think those ideas conflict; Execute every last one of the officers (and the Knesset) and force the non-officers and civilians who supported this to do the cleanup.
And instead of killing them Dulles and the rest of the Nazi US government gave them jobs in NATO, the CIA, the West German government etc. very cool.
The more you learn the more the phrase “Nazism wasn’t defeated in WW2, it was internationalised” makes sense.
The Dulles (both John Foster and Allen) really do deserve to rot in hell for what they did to our planet.
I believe the majority of the israeli people would clap and guffaw when seeing what the idf has done, i think their indoctienation unironically goes deeper than ww2 germans
Then why isn’t it being shown to them on television?
They’d cum too much
Nah, the Israelis support this pretty much across the board, acting like they just don’t know what they do is incredibly naive.
I’m certain a lot of them only support it in an abstract sense and don’t grasp what they’re actually supporting. Internal media doesn’t show the bodies being dug out of the rubble or the literal thousands of mutilated children or interviews with the survivors or the other horrors in the Gaza concentration camp. I’m certain if we rubbed their noses in it that the crimes would sink in. They’re still human, they just aren’t seeing.
Everyone in Israel who didn’t immigrate as an adult served in The IDF or went to prison to not serve.
They all know.
Served in the IDF to drop bombs from thousands of feet away or inside drone bases miles away or inside armored vehicles with only screens to see the world with. The actual boots-on-the-ground engagement is low by design.
They’re dropping bombs on schools and hospitals they know what they are doing even from thousands of feet away
They sit on hills in lawn chairs and laugh and cheer as they watch bombs land on children! They have no morals, they are evil and should be executed, they will not feel bad for what they’ve done
Imagine for a second what a mass execution on that scale does to the society that perpetrates it, especially those directly doing it. Killing hollows people out. No matter how justified. It hurts the person doing it. I mean thats an underdiscussed problem with the death penalty, the fact that it turns the executioner into a killer. I dont want to share space with someone capable of the coldness necessary to carry out state murder.
Its simply not practical, even if you think it is justified (and as a strict rehabilitationist, i would argue against that too).
Also institutions of mass execution have a way of self perpetuating.
Im fucking infuriated by this article too. And my first gut is blood for blood too. But when i think about the consequences of that, I know its not right.
empathy is one thing, mercy in a situation like this is altogether another
Its not even about mercy for the person who committed the act. I feel like what I wrote that should have made that pretty clear?
Yeah, whenever I see someone post this kind of stuff, I kind of get the urge to have them put in a situation of “your new job is killing the people you want to see killed 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, they will be tied up and you may use a claw hammer or a machete, but you must meet a daily quota of kills” and see how quickly their enthusiasm wears off.
When you look at the breadth and scope of the groups these people are demanding to be killed, you’re realistically looking at creating an entire sector of the economy whose sole purpose is the efficient mass-killing of human beings for years if not decades. Maybe the people advocating these things would be okay with such a society, but it’s not the kind I joined the left to fight for, and contrary to what capitalist propaganda would have you believe, it’s not the kind that successful revolutionaries have historically created.
I’m sure learning that your family was brutally murdered while seeking humanitarian aid also hurts. I bet it hurts learning that people you knew were crushed under trucks. I bet it hurts knowing that cumskins all over the world make excuses for the barbaric extermination of your people, make excuses for the IOF perpetrating it. I bet it hurts that as people react to the very real deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians, there are people like you who insist on defending against even the hypothetical idea of Israelis receiving any justice for what they have done in cold-blood and with full intent. I know how it makes me feel, I can’t imagine how it might make someone living in this hell feel. Probably like burning the whole ass world down.
Idk what about what I said makes you think I dont know all that.
It isn’t about what you do or do not know, it’s about what you choose to focus on.
Israelis DO see what they’re doing. They love it. Perhaps except the liberals and the communists that work with Palestinians.
They see very little, actually. Soldiers see the people they kill on little screens, from a long distance away and sometimes without color. Civilians back home don’t even see that, they just see propaganda.
And it’s not just literally seeing that I’m talking about. Can they hear the begging and crying children? Can they smell the burning corpses and open defecation? Taste the air filled choked with silicates and smoke? There’s a whole sensory experience of this genocide that they’re missing out on. I want to rub it in, make it stick.
IOF Nazis literally post about their crimes on TikTok and Telegram. For the people who follow these channels, you need full on re-education to bring back their empathy - not just a trip to the concentration camp.
I did also say they should undergo forced labor if you recall. Also be forced to learn the names of their victims.
A tour of the ruins would merely be the first step of a long process. 👍