WithoutFurtherRelay [they/them, she/her]

it got worse when you did rhetorical backflips to simultaneously say you didn’t insult

I LITERALLY NEVER DID, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

If I did this, I didn’t even realize. I know that’s not a great excuse but I legitimately don’t know what you’re even talking about

And all those things you pointed out, yeah? Those were the things I was apologizing for? Except for the “this is not treat defense” thing which is just me saying that I’m not defending a treat because there isn’t a single consumer item I’m actually defending or even care about relative to this conversation?

Does “treat defense” mean something other than someone vehemently defending some sort of piece of media? Like does it just mean anyone angry online? I’m not being sarcastic I might legitimately have just misinterpreted what it meant

I didnt try to dodge any of it. I acknowledged all of it I could think of and left it up explicitly because I wanted to make sure anything I didn’t leave up was left for people to see when I apologized.

What are you even talking about? I have no idea what you think I’m dodging. I know you were linking my comment over and over but I just… didn’t respond because I thought I had already covered it with what I said. I know that’s a dumb way to apologize but I mean I’m not really that smart

I know I should have responded to that individually, at least in retrospect, but my apology was over my general tone and everything. I didn’t know you were angry at me over the three question marks specifically and thought you were just angry about them as an example of the tone I used.

Ok I was trying to be vulnerable and you’re just going all in here.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have any empathy for other human beings whatsoever?

Seriously, Jesus fucking Christ, do some self crit. I was trying to be patient and I still stand by that the way I said what I said was toxic and bad, but holy shit stop being a smug asshole and just… actually care about another person for once. I was angry at you because I legitimately cared about you not being an asshole because I respected you. I don’t see any reason to continue respecting you if you’re not going to be willing to step back and consider why I’m saying what I’m saying here.

Not everyone who gets angry is doing “treat defense”. I’m a human being and the reason I’m getting angry is because I’ve seen numerous times now of people just completely disregarding that what I’m saying has any value whatsoever, while never really explaining why I shouldn’t care. Do you think I just shouldn’t care about how people act to each other online?

Do you really think I’m so stupid that I know that will be used to repress any weird mannerisms or behaviors I accidentally have the moment they show up? I know how this works. I’ve been autistic for literally decades. It’s the same shit people pulled with the furry fandom, it’s the same shit people pulled with videos of kids getting angry online, it’s the same shit people on the internet pull every single day so they can legitimize their desire to repress and control others.

Yeah, I’m pissed about it. Yeah, if the “treat” I’m defending is my own ability to be myself online in a space I like without being ridiculed or made fun of because I made a single misstep and acted “cringe”, then I am a “treat defender”. The fact you can’t even try and realize that the person on the other side of the screen isn’t even trying to defend any piece of media is the most frustrating part of this. I don’t care about marvel, I don’t care about this person’s obsessive interest with marvel, I don’t care about any of that. I just don’t like how toxic this community has become and it’s been getting more and more frustrating with people basically fucking gaslighting me every time I bring up how uncomfortable it is.

I despise what Marvel has done to the movie industry but I have literally no reason to despise or hate those who continue to watch the movies. As long as it sucks it sucks. This one person not watching the movie doesn’t magically make it not have any control over the industry, and literally bullying people for watching it is not some sort of cool gamer move. It’s just weird and antisocial. Bullying works with veganism, yeah, but that’s because most people don’t have entire social networks that are partially dependent on eating meat. These people are literally addicted to Marvel. Removing it from their reality would be akin to just making them unable to participate in… maybe at least 60% of conversations their friends have. It’s more akin to trying to bully someone into not eating around other people- You’re not going to be able to do it no matter how hard you try, not without removing their incentivize to in the first place (socialization).

What bothers me is that shitting on people for liking X thing has become it’s own kind of “treat”, a form of slop that people absolutely shit themselves in anger over when someone points out how it’s flawed. Like, Jesus Christ, I am not saying that you can’t criticize the movies I’ve already criticized like 4 times in this thread alone, just maybe don’t be an asshole to random people you’ve never met who are doing nothing wrong? Criticizing works of art, hell, even insinuating that the mere consumption of it is problematic, does not require you to actually consider those who consume it as bad people and in most cases they just blatantly aren’t.

Watching these sorts of weird, reactionary-tasting anger over X person who consumes Y thing is like watching people complain about water flooding all their crops, so they shout at the waterfall until it stops moving. It lacks any sort of analysis, it’s like a ironically and hilariously mindless substitute for actual concern over what these movies do to people

I understand we need to vent our emotions somehow, but actual systemic critique, analysis, and finding solutions to how Marvel has entrenched itself into society is right there and if you aren’t going to do it just because it’s too hard, and would prefer to do something more mindless, then… Yeah! Fair! But maybe don’t criticize other people for not always consuming leftist theory instead of brainless slop, then.

Edit: I’m just tired.

big lie

“censor” = removing pedo shit

Chinese version of that one dragon maid anime desexualized a minor’s character design and pissed off tons of “fans”. As far as I know, they let the adult character with huge gazongas stay the same, so most weebs are officially just fake anime tiddy lovers who use it as a cover for their pedophilia

please tell me that by fake queers you mean feds

Excuse me what the fuck

I think it’s worse than him being arrogant. I think it’s him implying the desire for so much as a ceasefire is “Hamas propaganda” that is “very persuasive” and “dangerously” charismatic.

“You killed a child”
“A 12 year old ‘child’ hardly counts”

I know I’m coming across as a Nazi here

But please believe me, I literally just subconsciously picked it up as a habit to describe large amounts of things, probably after seeing it in a Nazi Star Wars subreddit or something

Then I guess I kind of got emboldened to continue using it after people started using it in Holodomor memes etc

Bad habit

fair point, I really should not use that word

Making furries canon to the Star Trek universe was an excellent and revolutionary decision.

comments be like “going against the grain” and then get 200 gorillion upvotes proving they were saying what everyone else believed

I’m actually going to go against the grain here and say that all of this guy’s content rubs me the wrong way. I don’t care if they’re bad people or something, it’s just revenge porn and I hate it.

They’re right. I can’t comprehend it and in fact want it as far away from me as possible.

I don’t understand the criticism here? You’re supposed to dress up as a monster for Halloween.

> reads author that writes about an ideal  
man that makes their own meaning and  
goes against the crowd
> can’t even summon the courage to go 
against the taboo of masturbating 
> probably because they believe their  
Christian grandpa 

I think it’s ok as long as they try to keep the fursuit vaguely in theme, but of course I don’t really know the event you’re talking about.

Knowledge of them as mainstream is far from them being mainstream.

Furries have become like goth and punk, aesthetics and subcultures which people in general know of but take joy in othering.