• reddig33@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    SO SERIOUS.

    This? This is the red line? Not January sixth? Or collusion with Russia? Or tax evasion? Or selling bibles he’s autographed? Or any of the federal laws he’s broken? 🙄

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      “You gotta remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new west. You know. Morons.”

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      Humans have honored the dead since before homo sapiens. Laws can be complicated, contradictory, and confusing; respecting the dead is clear and primal.

      Yeah, this probably won’t change a lot of minds, but some folks will see there is something wrong about a man who would dishonor the dead to celebrate himself.

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        I appreciate your statement and generally agree. However, there is nothing complicated or contradictory about the harm caused in rape or the need to protect children from predators.

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      It very well could be the line among his supporters who are members of the armed forces, veterans, and their families.

      They might have overlooked all the scandals and outrageous things through his campaigns, presidency, and sedition, but this is where many of them have buried their spouses, grandparents, family, and friends.

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        Currently seeing it happen, buddies who had overlooked issues in the past have started to look at him negatively. Before it was “he has always treated us right.” Now they might write in Rand Paul.

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      There’s a chunk of the population for whom this is a very big deal, and it’s easy to communicate what happened.

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        Right! This is far from the WORST thing he’s done but this plays so poorly with his god-fearing, gun-totin’ patriotism cosplayers.

        It’s fine with me. Keep taking L’s donnie!

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          I agree with you but it should never be left unmentioned that anyone who’s not mentally ill enough to let themselves be brainwashed into his cult, I.e. the people who still have some thinking ability left, but still isn’t completely put off by him since Birtherism, is a bad guy and will not be easily welcomed back into society.

          In a way the totally crazy Trump fans can be let off easier because they don’t know what they’re doing.

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          Thing is, they’re just cosplayers. You don’t obligate yourself to give a fuck about honor just because you dress up like a Klingon.

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        Even the politically obtuse people still honor veterans. This story breaks out of the conservative news silos and the tribal hometown bars.

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          I guess America has to go chunk by chunk instead of NEVER IN THE FIRST PLACE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS GUY IN CULTURE, BUSINESS, OR POLITICS. Sorry I yelled.

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      January 6th is not seen as an insurrection but as citizens banding together to protect democracy. Collusion with Russia was always seen as a false attempt to make him look bad, especially with things like the dossier being faked. Tax evasion is considered smart if you can do it legally, and the New York prosecution for what the industry considers standard practice reinforced the perspective that it was weaponizing the justice system. Autographed bibles are no more sacrilegious than any of the megachurch/televangelist who buys a private jet because God wants him to to.

      Each one of those hurtles may take someone out of his camp, but for some that will only be if there is a viable alternative. Keep in mind that the alternative on the democratic side is trying to end their 2nd amendment rights, open the borders to secure a permanent underclass voting block, and lose the national protection of God by persecuting Christians. It doesn’t matter to what degree any of that is true, that is the hurtle they have to clear.

      Since armed service is venerated more on the right than the left, and has higher percentages of veterans and their children, this might indeed be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for some or many. He is grifting in so many areas, that if he is also shown to be a grifter on respecting the armed services in addition to being a false Christian and 1 percenter elite then parts of his base might see him as no better than the Democrats.

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      Just another example that in Trump world only one thing counts: Trump. There are no principles . America does not come first. It’s really just him. Incredible how people can vote for someone like that.

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      Every little bit helps

      Also it helps that he’s going progressively off the rails as time goes on, so his reaction to getting caught for this stuff is getting less and less hinged month by month

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      I think that most Americans, regardless of political affiliation and regardless of how they feel about the various wars we’ve been in over the centuries, find the idea of using our honored dead as political props profoundly offensive. I personally hope that this is the red line finally and the bastard can start facing some real consequences.

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      Liberals are gonna shake their heads REALLY hard this time. They might even say “tsk tsk” under their breath.

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    The media for the last right years should just be running a weekly column called “This time Trump went too far and now his supporters will turn on him” and then they can just recap Trump’s actions from the previous week. Meanwhile his poll numbers will remain exactly the same as always.

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      Thats assuming the media (especially the broadcast media…) reports on what he did truthfully and with the full details.

      Which they rarely, if ever, do.

      because they have a vested financial and ratings based interest in the chaos he creates, because it drives ratings and enriches them.

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        This… the media is made up of businesses with shareholders. They do and say what is best for those shareholders. Not what is best for us, or the country, or the planet, or anything else. Expecting them to do otherwise in the system they exist in is delusional.

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          and you can blame the elimination of the fairness doctrine for the bulk of that.

          Because, like everything, it sucks because the Republicans fucked it up so they could manipulate it to their advantage.

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      The only truth Trump ever told was when he said he could shoot a civilian on Times Square and not lose any voters.

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    And he fucking does not care about it. According to him, the people buried there are “losers”, in case you have forgotten.

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    And when you’re a maga they’ll let you do it. Thumbs up in the graveyard, insurrection in the Capitol, you can do anything.

  • You know those videos of people talking on their cell phones during the changing of the guards at Arlington, or videos of total, antisocial assholes fucking with the sentry? Those are Trump voters.

    They also litter all the time. Every time I see a car throw some giant bag of convenience store food wrappers out the window there’s MAGA bullshit all over it.

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    Pretty sure if he hasn’t been busted for the classified documents thing, he’s getting off scot-free for this one too.

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    Ya know what’s a very telling sign that his marriage is in shambales? The fact that Melina never, and I mean never appears next to him on the campaign trails. Hell none of his shit stain sons even show up. What’s up Eric, shit stain jr and “barron” trump? Too busy doing blow off of high end escorts to show up??? Djt wouldn’t know family values if it slapped him in the face

    And before anyone attacks me for bringing barron into this, he did it to himself

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    His cultists don’t give a fuck. They don’t give a fuck about anything. He didn’t lose any votes here

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      Also exposed our perception capabilities by distribution of imagery in it’s native resolution.

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    Do Americans know the history of Arlington? I was quite amazed to learn how it became a military cemetery. Not hanging Robert Lee and the other high-ranking traitors is perhaps the biggest single mistake in US history. He is still the highest ranking US soldier to ever betray his country, no?

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      I think Benedict Arnold was a higher rank, but I guess it depends on if the US counted as a “country” at that time. Lee was a colonel when he betrayed the US and became a general under the Confederacy, while Arnold was a general at the time he betrayed the US.

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      Reconstruction did funny stuff and the mindsets at the time were different. The entire idea of the civil war centered around if we had a federal or confederated government. The confederate argument was states had to ratify the constitution, so therefore they could deratify and break away. Looking back this is obviously wrong, but a large minority of people believed this at the time, including the 15th President I believe. On the other hand, since Lee surrendered unconditionally, the thought process was you don’t kick the man while he’s down. Plus many men in the Union still considered Lee a heroic American figure. Not imprisoning him most likely led to an easier surrender by the rest of the Confederate forces and less paramilitary actions. Reconstruction further limited the punishment of top officials which was a mistake, though there was 0 chance they could end the thoughts and ideals that led to jim crow and the kkk, they could have certainly limited it.

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        Looking back this is obviously wrong

        I suppose it was obviously wrong in practice because the Union’s greater population and industrial capacity made a Union victory almost inevitable, but I wouldn’t say it was obviously wrong as a legal theory. The US was created by people who thought they had a moral right to leave the British empire and in that context it would be odd for them to intend that there should be no legal way for any state to leave the USA.

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          My understanding is that the US constitution was adopted illegally, anyway. The previous government didn’t have a mechanism to do a full rewrite, I don’t think. The adoption of the constitution via “fuck it, this isn’t working” was almost in living memory at the time of the civil war.

          I think the way US history is taught tends to be very civic religion-y

          But also like fuck the slave states.

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    Who cares? They’re dead. And we’re using the people that we were fighting for as an agent of genocide against Palestinians. Nothing is sacred.

    Don’t mistake this as an argument for Trump in some way. In my opinion he should be strung up, but I don’t respect the rich using the masses as cannon-fodder either.

    When I die, I won’t have any thoughts on the matter either way. I bet you the dead in those pictures don’t either. This is the result of unabashed “patriotic” brainwashing that people have been steeped in since forever.

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      ok your thesis is who cares, they’re dead. The cemetery is not for the deceased, it’s for the living. It’s a living monument. People, alive people, go there to grieve their recently deceased loved ones, and as it calcifies through time it is a testament to the number of people who sacrificed their lives even in one exceptionally specific way. For the living that you claim to care about.

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      Who cares?

      Republicans tend to, which in this case could help cement a nasty loss for him via voter apathy

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        Good point. I usually look at this from the lens of “holy fucking shit nobody will shut up about him and I’m seriously overloaded” – This, I think might be better framing :D