This shit has seriously gone on too long. People who continue to cling to the “10,000 dead crushed by tanks hosed i to the gutter” bs are cranks. It’s jews control the banks, chemtrails, the earth is flat, the moon isn’t real level of crank shit and unless you’re feeling very indulgent and someone is asking in good faith it can be dismissed as equally serious to that kind of crank shit.
My favourite bit is when Wikipedia itself is like “the 10,000 claim was made by one dude who basically instantly retracted it and claimed the still unplausibly high number of 2,000”.
Also, the Tank Man photographer talks about the protestors throwing molotov cocktails and beating police officers to death.
And the whole “China pretends it didn’t happen”…they have official death estimates. 300 people. The US have their own estimate. 900 people. But no matter the number, it was much fewer than the protest leaders had hoped for.
To quote one of the protest leaders “What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes” - Chai Ling
By the way, that person is alive and well running a firm that fires people for not praying at work.
the protestors
It needs to be made clear; The insurgents were a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the student movement, a few hundred, maybe a few thousand people out of hundreds of thousands of activists across the country. They were not at all representative of the '89 protest movement. Chai Ling wasn’t a protest leader, she was just some CIA backed asshole and she and her goons bullied their way up to the PA and took it over. They did not represent the student movement or Tianamen Square. It must be stressed that the movement was mostly in opposition to Dengist market liberalization. Folks wanted to preserve communism against marketization of the economy. A secondary factor was a desire to create a more permissive social environment that reflected communist views of gender equality and allowed young people more freedom to express themsevles. Again, not because of government repression, but because they viewed contemporary chinese culture as very staid and conservative in a way that was not in line with their communist values.
It’s always funny to fire back at Redditors that the vast majority of the protestors weren’t mad about communism, they were mad that things weren’t communist enough.
Wrong. They wanted freedom to wear jeans and buy 50 flavors of industrial sized mayonnaise
The Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t happen because in reality David Hasselhof sang on the Berlin Wall and East Turkmenistan became free
By the way, that person is alive and well running a firm that fires people for not praying at work.
Lmao. A perfect candidate for American citizenship.
Chai Ling is great, there is a lot more from that interview where she just openly displays what an unhinged monster she is, like when she adds to that part that the students are stupid and unworthy of her sacrifice, which is why she plans to escape (and though she didn’t leave quite as quickly as she seemed to plan, she did leave quickly enough that she wasn’t around for when the “massacre” would have happened)
Oh! And it’s also important to note that it was her interviews with western outlets following fleeing the conflict that produced the “tanks mulching corpses” story
It seems like she would’ve committed a student massacre herself if she had access to weapons lol.
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YP is a refinement. Chai Ling was talking wild shit from the jump, YP escalated over time like you say.
To quote one of the protest leaders “What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes” - Chai Ling
By the way, that person is alive and well running a firm that fires people for not praying at work.
Wait, you mean the ebil CCP didn’t send her to a camp??
She, along with other
Assetsstudent leaders fled before the clash actually happened.Operation yellow bird
Racist name, I know.
Thank god the CIA stumbled upon her situation by happenstance and with no previous connections to her, managed to ferry her and her co-conspirators out of the country just in time after only having just heard of her plight 😌
If there’s one thing America loves, it’s immigrants seeking asylum
By the way, that person is alive and well running a firm that fires people for not praying at work.
It’s always the fucking Christians
What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed
Sounds like
starting shitYeah she and her cronies were literally a CIA op. Like a “It’s on the CIA website” CIA op.
The army psyop unit released an edgy trailer for their unit, and there was a segment where the text says something like “we are behind it all” and it shows a montage of world conflicts, including the Tiananmen protests. Of course, that itself could be a psyop to make people paranoid, but it’s pretty obvious that competing superpowers would hop on each other’s conflicts.
Just say no to terrorism.lol Chai Ling, the famous empathetic and charismatic leader who was killed by the SeeSeePee!!! Look up what she said about her fellow students,THE CCP AUTHORITARIAN BOTS DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS!!!11!!11!
Suppose it was 5000 deaths. You would still need to do it 200 times to match the amount of ppl usa killed in a single war.
To quote one of the protest leaders “What we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes” - Chai Ling
This only works when the people also think it was unjustified.
Every revolution in history has one of these instigating moments, including colour revolutions. Most recently Ukraine’s moment in 2014 was the sussy sniper moment that has all kinds of evidence pointing towards far right shooters being involved and covered up. Even the February Revolution had a moment like this when the palace guard shot all the unarmed protestors.
The key point is that it’s unarmed protestors that didn’t deserve it. When it’s a situation where people understandable grit their teeth and say “yeaaaaaah but the protestors hung cops and burned them alive”
it doesn’t work.The people need to be enraged and believe the government NEEDS to be overthrown for it to work, if people think the protestors kinda brought it on themselves they don’t enrage in the same way. The CIA and fascists pull these false flags off all the time, I can’t think of a single incident in history where the left has.
The USSR had ties with unions and communist parties and leftist terrorists. But I don’t think they ever planned any false flags to help those movements. Like the Italian militants supported by the USSR were doing bombings and killings in response to the mob and fascists who attacked first. I don’t think even westerners have claimed the USSR faked any terrorist threats to bolster their factions. “Whataboutism” is used by liberals to cry about leftists because all they had to do was put up a mirror. Not saying intelligence agencies never lie, but it seemed that spreading propaganda to a diverse country whose minorities suffer was sufficient
But there have been some claims of false flags. For example, a KGB defector claiming that the KGB planted a story about the Vatican knowing about the holocaust and not doing anything about it.
I think one of the interesting things about Tinyman and the tankman picture in particular is the mass psychosis (sorry if there’s a better non-ableist term I currently can’t conjure it) that the man in the picture was ran over by the tank. It’s a claim that can be categorically disproven by 15 seconds of video. But it contradicts the hegemonic narrative, so it’s like the video isn’t real, the vibes are more real than hard evidence that this man was allowed to just walk.
This is potentially a good starting point for exposing the greater mythology about the event.
Ask if the person you’re speaking with thinks the tank man was ran over.
- If they say yes, pull up the video, and ask if that makes them wonder what else about the incident has been mythologized. If they can admit they bought some BS you can work with them, if they dig in (“oh I’m sure something sinister happened to him later”) you’re wasting your time.
- If they say no, ask why a column of tanks was so deferential with that one guy when the story goes that there was an unprompted slaughter going on elsewhere. You can talk about how the event escalated, who was escalating, etc.
Yeah, I don’t think psychosis fits, because it’s a propaganda thing not an individual loss of connection with reality, but I don’t know what better term there is. Cultural delusion? It’s wild.
Actual footage from Tiananmen square as covered by the CPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dqOuHqcBQ
Explanation of what happened
https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/
Translation of official government explanation
https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/
Tankman full vid
I’ve seen youtube comment sections where the full video is shown and people are like “ah, but the people who shooed him away from the tank were actually see see pee secret police in disguise”.
no stronger evidence than the complete absence of evidence.Weren’t they his friends or something?
We know basically nothing about him or the other civilians involved from what I understand.
Yeah, afaik Tank Man has never been identified.
I wish I could speak Chinese because I’d love to know what Baidu think’s about the annual Western June 4th Freakout.
I know that guy used that story to get laid for years after
I’m not sure. I thought they were random concerned bystanders. Regardless, libs jump to the least charitable interpretation whenever the subject is [insert bad country here].
It’s almost like a
Non-falsifiable orthodoxy!
mass psychosis (sorry if there’s a better non-ableist term I currently can’t conjure it) that the man in the picture was ran over by the tank.
I feel like the term Mandela Effect would apply here.
and similar to the Mandela effect, it’s Crakkkers not paying attention
The only famous video/image 99.9% of all Americans see of it is tank man NOT getting run over by a tank, and even then so many of them will be like “um yeah you don’t want to know what happens after the video cuts off” but the full video DOESNT CUT OFF AND HE JUST WALKS AWAY UNHARMED.
Meanwhile in America if you google “NYPD running over protestors” your results will be like:
-NYPD running over protestors May 2024
-NYPD running over protestors February 2024
-NYPD running over protestors December 2023
-NYPD running over protestors October 2023
-NYPD running over protestors March 2023
And so on and so on, and that’s just in one city
This is my go to for the power of propaganda but it only works in person. It’s “Do you know what happened to the Tank Man at Tienanman Square?” People almost always answer that he was run over. The response is great because while we don’t know exactly what happened to him we know one thing for certain; he was not run over. That’s the one thing we can say for sure and its the one thing they believe happened through the power of propaganda.
The only famous video/image 99.9% of all Americans see of it is tank man NOT getting run over by a tank, and even then so many of them will be like “um yeah you don’t want to know what happens after the video cuts off” but the full video DOESNT CUT OFF AND HE JUST WALKS AWAY UNHARMED.
The ones that have seen the full thing all say “but then he was disappeared afterwards” with no evidence and everyone just totally believes it because they just believe that’s what China does.
Actual footage from Tiananmen square as covered by the CPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dqOuHqcBQ
https://youtu.be/7bl_cyYHwNQ
Explanation of what happened https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/Translation of official government explanation
https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/Tankman full vid
https://youtu.be/GRb4VY2dU4cYeah, a bunch of people run up and push him out of hte way of the tanks. And no one ever talks about how he climbed up on to the tank to have a chat with the tank commander, then climbed down, and absolutely nothing happened to him. Imagine climbing on to a cop MRAP or APC in the US.
My headcannon is that the tank commander was his kid and he climbed up there to discuss what they were having for dinner.
They tried to go around him multiple times, then when they realized he was just gonna block their way, they decided to stop so they wouldn’t accidentally crush him lol. That’s authoritarian.
There’s a Parenti line something like “the evil 1984 authoritarian CCCP USSR… broke up without major bloodshed”
EV_Dabs supercut link anyone? I know the original uploads got deleted, but I though someone reuploaded them under a new account.
What is that and was it supposed to be a reply to me? I’m confused lol
Sorry, I’ve seen a video linked here a few times that’s pretty much exactly your comment, so I assumed you might have seen it too. I thought it was from a prolific user (Eugene_V_Dabs) that posted here a while back, but I don’t see it in the linked archive (I may have overlooked it, the titles are not easy to parse for content).
Hopefully I can find the link eventually, and I won’t seem so weird.
This one? https://streamable.com/unjnw9
Ah I understand now, thank you!
Eugene_V_Dabs was a poster here who did awesome short agitprop videos.
One of the videos he published was a cops running over crowds supercut IIRC, probably what prompted the question.
@daveywaveyboy@feddit.nl care to elaborate how this is “racist and batshit”?
dutch redditor takes time away from busy blackface schedule to call out racism
almost spit beer on my keyboard.
- Being mean to Redditors is anti-white racism, the worst kind of racism.
- It is batshit because it disagrees with what the average western treatboy idiot believes.
If I had to take a guess based on my own past as a dumbass radlib who believed anti China bullshit I’d say he’s trying to claim that by not listening to Chinese people who claim it happened we’re ignoring their voices and that makes us racist against Chinese people even though he’s the one who actually hates China
See in his mind he thinks every single Chinese person who knows it didn’t happen is brainwashed and they just don’t know the truth so it’s OK for him to not listen to any of them, also he believes that it’s physically impossible for him to be racist by virtue of being a liberal
So yeah, very tangled mess of brainworms but I think I sorted them out
And the gotcha libs are like "i ran up to a random person in Beijing, shoved a microphone in their face, and started interogating them about 20th century politics! They got uncomfortable and left! That proves [fascist screeching]
I can’t believe I used to think like this and consider myself smart for it
There’s a legit thing where “smart” people can be more susceptible to confirmation bias because they’re skilled at finding patterns in information, but that doesn’t mean the pattern is necessary real or significant. “Intelligence” (i am skeptical of the concept of a single intelligence trait) doesn’t necessarily protect you from weird cognitive stuff.
Framing this.
:point-and-laugh-1::point-and-laugh-2:
The only fun part about being a mod is seeing some of the asinine reports people make about hexbear posts.
Also going mad with power and forcing everyone to be trans, don’t forget about that
:no-no-no-wait-wait-wait:
YOU WILL TRANS YOU ARE GENDER
I’m being harrased for bein a :cissues: minority over here :cri:
I’m going to complain about you :t34: :hexbear-trans: to my :lemmitor: friends for being such meanies :rage-cry:
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also why the fuck does disco basket have a similar face to me wtf
Beat me to it
Over/under on how many Winnie the Pooh memes this guy has posted today?
Thats easy. China bad sweety, dont u know?
lmaoooooooo imagine
It’s been wild watching reddit get more and more outrageous every year. It’s like a yearly holiday for redditors where they try to make up the craziest bullshit they can and then all agree to believe it.
“He maybe wasn’t ran over by a tank, but lets not discount the possibility that we actually universe shifted, and we’re originally from a timeline where I was always correct. look up the Mandela effect.”
Pretty much all lib claims about it can be debunked by two minutes on Wikipedia, which is generally a pretty anti-China source itself. Goes to show they’ve done literally zero research.
Yeah. I got in to this with some people last year and I was like “Fucker even Wikipedia admits the truth now!”. It’s so frustrating.
It’s truth or falsehood frankly does not matter to a lot of people who believe this. It confirms their world view and emotionally feels truer than the actual events themselves, which are well documented if they should care to know.
Lol and the concept of brainwashing was invented by the US because they needed to explain why US troops in Korea were defecting, and why defectors and captured soldiers were explaining the war crimes the US committed. “They were brainwashed!”
Pretty much everything people believe about it isn’t true, but nobody cares because it’s aimed at bad country
I’m still shocked they actually admitted Saddam’s shredder wasn’t real.
The fact that most Americans just assume tank man got run over and killed even after seeing part of the video of it is what genuinely drives me insane. Like the rest of the video is readily available bro you can see him walk away
That baffles me, because even when I was a turbolib I realized the whole point was that one guy was holding up the tanks. If they had just run him over, why would they have stopped?
As a kid, I figured he singlehandedly stopped the tanks from doing something terrible.
Same lol, good thing I found Hexbear
Saddam’s shredder?!?!?! I am too young to remember Saddam, please elaborate
They said Saddam owned a woodchipper or big shredder that he would throw dissidents in to execute them and destroy the body.
The moment I realized r/LateStageCapitalism had been ruined was when someone was unironically defending the Iraq War by referring to Saddam’s shredder. In the old days that person would’ve been quickly banned.
Imagine being the über despot murder lord as was portrayed and still needing to hide the bodies.
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“China is bad country that massacred people who wanted democracy. I also hope the police can shut down the encampments at universities because it’s illegal”
I wish liberals at least formed some type of ideology instead of regurgitate half baked ideas they heard somewhere.
They exist in a blissful eternal present where there is no context, no action and reaction, only the gentle lapping of waves and the shade of the coconut tree
Honestly, to my knowledge of the events, what actually happened with the crackdowns on “riots” was already really bad BUT was it worse than what the US does regularly? Including just recently sending in armed hogs to tear gas and stomp children? Of course not. And that’s why the reddit Nazi types have to keep lying otherwise the narrative of “America good” (in contrast to all existing evidence) requires never admitting the truth or even looking at what happened or anything… just pathetic racism in the end. Same as people who think immigrants are “genociding” white people. Batshit insane stuff.
Most of the actual fighting was between PLA troops and insurgents several blocks away from the square. Insurgents attacked a PLA column of unarmed soldiers with molotovs, burning them alive in their APCs and trucks. The PLA didn’t have any armed soldiers near the square. Like, when I say not armed - Most of the PLA guys were wearing their dress uniforms. no helmets, no shields, no batons. Just chilling in their dress uniforms, shooting the shit with the students. The PLA had to mobilize troops from further out to go in and fight the insurgents, and it turned in to a running street battle. Afaik all of the deaths were PLA soldiers, insurgents, and civillians caught in the crossfire in that battle.
When the fighting started the PLA ordered the students to leave the square… and they did. They all linked hands and walked out peacefully, and that was that.
The lack of violence, the lack of coercive repression, is almost farcical when you look at the behavior of modern western governments.
I wish I still had the screenshot from a few years ago when they went really big on pushing against censorship by spamming the post and damn near everything on the front page was that pic and it stayed that way for days all while the comments were full of people saying reddit won’t let you see this as it was damn near the only thing you could see on reddit. Now they repeat it every anniversary.
What do we really expect from a site who’s main protest against changes to it was spamming John Oliver memes and then wondering how they lost.
Unnamed experts close to the intelligence community have confirmed that that they’ve seen “solid evidence” of the massacre, but they can’t show you because the only copies of the evidence are held by the millions of US MIA POWs still being held in secret Vietnamese prisons.
