• joneskind@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1052·
    9 months ago

    TwitterBoy showing his blatant ignorance against one of the people who literally invented modern machine learning.

    Nothing shockingly unexpected from the very stable 10D chess master genius of course, but oh my, how embarrassing it must be for all the people working for him.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      46·
      9 months ago

      It’s the same whenever he gets shown up.

      “I’ll save those schoolboys with my robot submarine!”

      *submarine won’t fit in cave*

      *schoolboys are rescued by a diver*

      “Pedo guy…”

    • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
      16·
      9 months ago

      I’m sure he can be forgiven for not knowing the name of a scientist whose work his employees build upon

      The fact that he didn’t believe them when they claimed to be a scientist though

  • Lad@reddthat.comEnglish
    711·
    9 months ago

    These types of people really need to stop being a part of the problem by getting off Twitter.

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
      18·
      9 months ago

      I never really used Twitter, but I’d start using Mastodon, if only to get people to start using Mastodon?

      • Hadriscus@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        Mastodon is really great in my experience. Very sane environment. It’s not the same for everybody, but it’s at least worth a shot.

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          9 months ago

          I’m not gonna lie, I have two problems with Lemmy, lack of niche communities (But we’ll wait for Reddit to finish dying) and I seriously can’t find the fucking porn

          • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            9 months ago

            And I’m here surrounded in porn that I didn’t go looking for… perhaps some instances don’t handle NSFW?

            • Higgs boson@dubvee.orgEnglish
              2·
              9 months ago

              Many instances defederate lemmynsfw.com and some also block all NSFW content.

              There is porn, but to see it, you might have to create another account on a nsfw-friendly instance.

              • Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                2·
                9 months ago

                I’m not sure… I believe some instances do. I don’t know the difference between defederation and blocking. I just tried the lemm.ee web address and searched “all” and nothing porny turned up. Maybe there’s an nsfw filter you need to turn off? I’m not sure; but I do know there’s a tonne of porn here, somewhere. Good luck tracking it down.

          • suction@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            9 months ago

            People who don’t exist for 1000, Alex.

            This guy is famous for stating he can’t find ‘the fucking porn’ on the internet.

            Who is “HawlSera”.

            • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
              21·
              9 months ago
              1. Are you saying I don’t exist?
              2. No I can find plenty of porn, just none of its own Lemmy
              3. I’m not a guy
        • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          How does one use Mastodon (or Twitter)? It just seems like a fire-hose of miscellaneous people’s thoughts. I think I prefer a discussion forum environment centered around specific topics.

          • Gnome Kat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            2·
            9 months ago

            That’s low key the charm of it. I use to only use reddit and it confused me too at first. I never used Twitter but on mastodon you can actually make friends with people. Friends who will discuss the topics you are interested in. I have queer friends on there and gamedev friend and math friends. We are interested in the same things, we boost posts that we all are interested in. Make general often vague looking posts because we know who will see it, like a long drawn out conversation. Its so much cozier than lemmy or reddit, here everyone is trying to correct each other or yell at each other or be the cleverest comment in the thread. On mastodon people are alot more interested in being authentic, thats been my experience of mastodon at least.

        • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          Really? Jack Dorsey says it’s suffering from the same mistakes Twitter made. Is it still better than Mastodon? I thought Mastodon was as close as we got to solving the problem for now, just lacking adoption and with your typical fedi-drawbacks

          • Ben Hur Horse Race@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            9 months ago

            I’m enjoying it for the most part. Jack said he believes everyone should be able to post everything they thing with no moderation at all, as far as I can understand from what I’ve read.

    • suction@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      9 months ago

      Yes. Exactly like every other non-nazi still on there must do. It’s the Modern equivalent to “don’t feed the trolls”

      • xenoclast@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        9 months ago

        It’s not better here. Sorry. There’s just less people so it might seem that way. Outside is best.

        • Hadriscus@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          It is absolutely better than Twitter in my experience. Fascists and incels everyday, everywhere. It’s a pool of hate. I don’t see that here !

      • InfiniteWisdom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        14·
        9 months ago

        There’s a lotta misinformation online and it’s coming directly from the liberal controlled deep state. You have to rely on alternate news sources like infowars and breitbart news to get away from whatever joker biden tells you. I’ve had family and friends personally isolate themselves from me and not respond to my texts but that’s just because they couldn’t handle the truth, went to her house and turns out she was in the middle of a 7 way orgy with some of my highschool friends and didn’t have her phone on her, if I can handle that then she can handle the truth about politics

    • Arcade@lemmy.wtfEnglish
      51·
      9 months ago

      He’s a dumbass. There’s actually no rhyme or reason why he chose that specific number.

  • Monument@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    331·
    9 months ago

    I’m just imagining Musk banning his account once he realizes how much he just embarrassed himself.

    Followed by:

    Lawyer: What brings you in today, Mr. LeCun?
    LeCun: I got banned from Twitter.
    Lawyer: But I’m a patent attorney.
    LeCun: I know.

    Beastie Boys “Sabotage” riff starts playing.

  • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
    31·
    9 months ago

    The Internet as a whole seems a lot less interested in actually listening to anyone with credentials to back themselves up (Musk obviously included).
    Literally, people will just “nuh-uh” a piece of fact for purely emotional personal reasons.

    Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.

    Maybe all the smarter people with credentials have done the smart thing and left the internet, cause if I hear one more person tell me I’m wrong and that people totally explode in the vacuum of space cause they watched a movie. (Someone even called me confidently incorrect after I provided the research paper I cited when working on decompression in a vacuum), I honestly will think humanity has no right to claim themselves master of any part of nature and I will praise the universe for wiping us out hopefully Armageddon style, with an asteroid with a bunch of oil drillers on it.

    • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      9 months ago

      My theory is that as people get more success in life, they tend to get “busier”. They have families, careers, hobbies they’ve invested time in, money to take travel vacations, etc. They just do more “stuff”. This results in less time and interest towards getting into arguments with randos on the internet.

      The internet is extremely accessible and economically inexpensive though, so almost everyone can get on here if they want, regardless of any personal degree of any sort of life proficiencies.

      Together, these factors result in it being the mass of humanity with some of the cream skimmed off. So that’s what we tend to see around us, the internet is the skim milk of humanity. Then to avoid all the watery garbage so prevalent everywhere, we further clump into more segmented communities where we can find more like-minded people to associate with, simply because that’s more enjoyable.

      This is one of the reasons I think it’s important to actually put effort into interacting on here, to try to help prevent it from worsening before we can address some of the underlying technical problems it has introduced into our societies.

      • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        Yeah

        There are jobs where it’s specifically to be in the Internet but if you are actually doing “important” stuff and/or just busy living you likely won’t be trying to scrape through social platforms for a sense of cheap easy joy and validation.

        I think in it’s earlier days when it was the cool new social space it made more sense to show up and show off but if you have connections now you no longer need or maybe even want that kind of exposure.

    • VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF98ii6r_gU pretty sure this is the one [from the series] your post made me think of… My take away as relevant here is that it’s not overcomplicated: If your a marginalized person and you know your rights, all the facts and appeals reason will be dismissed by those who buy into the fear-based moral panic propaganda about you, solely on your intrinsic traits.

      That’s not a two-way street.

      Choosing not to engage with such people does not put me in an information silo in the same way that the population influenced by right-wing authoritarianism choose to stand on both sides of a contradiction and refuse to analyze the true root causes of their woes; that you can’t class traitor yourself onto the side of the ultra-wealthy, and that their Supreme Leader will throw them under the bus at the first incentive.

      A person who chooses to protect their energy from such a Facebook uncle, does not consitute a both-sides.

      Not that I went looking for anyone pressing a “both-sides” angle…hoping we can leave it behind in terms of “information silos”

    • PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      It was true before the internet too, there was just less opportunities to witness it because you didn’t interact with thousands of strangers at once.

      • Krauerking@lemy.lolEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        Well… Yeah that probably checks out. I have met an engineer who was sure 9/11 was planned demolition even though we literally sat and did the math to prove it was essentially a damaged free fall with no outer explosions… And a biologist major who believed in creationism…

        People are full of bad takes in shocking hypocrisy. This is definitely just the more public long lasting version of all those.

    • s0ykaf [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others, maybe we have created a social group that just assumes they are more educated than everyone else cause they read some stuff in the internet.

      i’ve always thought the decline of capitalism, or even just the accumulation of its downturns, had the consequence of people trusting authorities less than they used to, and that scientists just get thrown in the same bag (“people who mess with this convoluted stuff as if they know what they’re doing and just keep making my life worse”)

    • pelespirit@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      I think it’s because people have grown up with or are the people who were lied to by the smart people with credentials. And now that a lot of that information has been disproved, don’t trust the system. If you’ve tasted the credentials system, it’s known that a lot of that is nepo, wealth, political, etc., it casts a doubt on everything. Now you have to weed through everything to find out if it’s right regardless of credentials. Who do you trust? Also, new information comes along and theories change, so who’s to say that those theories are going to stick around. Basically, it’s complicated.

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      Maybe it’s that we made the Internet so full of disinformation that everyone is just automatically refusing to listen to others,

      We’ve made a vast social space where people can get validation and acceptance as easily as they can choose to be challenged and face threats to their own sense of self importance and their egos, and this isn’t to sound disparaging, we ALL have sensitive egos and all feel a resistance to facing challenges, so what will we all choose over and over? It’s natural that we seek the path of least resistance that also boosts our positive feelings about ourselves.

      We’re not a rational or reasonable species, we use rational and reason to explain our emotions but those explanations are rarely accurate or based in reality.

    • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
      152·
      9 months ago

      To attempt to wake up those people who think Elon is actually God’s gift of mankind.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
        7·
        9 months ago

        A wake up call on those people will have to go straight for their gut, instead of trying to throw facts at their faces. Even then, it’s a hard task

  • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
    221·
    9 months ago

    Does 80 technical papers in 2.5 years seem kind of off to anyone else? That’s more than a paper every 2 weeks. Is there really time for meaningful research if you’re publishing that often? Is he advising a lot of students? If that’s the case, is he providing the attention generally needed for each one? Is his field just super different than mine?

    • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      20·
      9 months ago

      In acamedia you usually get your name on most papers where you help a bit. And if you’re the boss, you get your name on papers without even helping but perhaps supplying space, material, budget.

      • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        9 months ago

        I’ve been in academia. My field required a “significant intellectual contribution” to the research and the writing, so no putting your name on papers if you just supplied space/material/budget. You can get an acknowledgement for that, not an authorship credit.

        • ormr@feddit.deEnglish
          8·
          9 months ago

          And which reviewer or publishers verifies how “significant” a contribution is beyond seeing some initials matched with tags like “visualization” or “experimental design”? That’s right, nobody. It’s not even remotely traceable who did what if you’re a reviewer.

          Academia is full of fraud and people trying to secure their share of credit because in academia it’s all about names, as the twitter exchange above illustrates so profoundly. And the other driver for the sad state of academia is of course having the quantity of published papers as the most important criterion for academic success. The more papers, the more citations, the bigger your name will become. It determines your chances of getting funding and therefore your career. If you want to make a career in science you have little options but to comply with this system.

    • Poik@pawb.socialEnglish
      51·
      9 months ago

      This is a fair question. But also, we’re talking about one of the most influential minds in deep learning. If anything he’s selling himself short. He’s definitely not first author on most of them, but I would give all my limbs to work in his lab.

      • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 months ago

        I’m not questioning his contributions to the field. Just being on that many papers. It just seemed like such a crazy amount of publishing.

        Though deep learning has been on fire the last couple years. And the list posted included a lot of preprints and workshops, which I hadn’t really considered.

    • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      9 months ago

      Yeah, even if he is advising or contributing, the way he put it sounds very disingenuous like he’s trying to inflate the number for his argument. Which MIGHT mean there likely was not many with immediately recognizable significance in that time (don’t yell at me, I have not taken the time to verify this).

      Either way, the way he responded comes across as very “I’m published, you’re not, neener neener!” which is not a good look for anyone with a doctorates.

      Also, genuine question, how significant was the contribution of LeNet-5 to the field of deep learning vs Neocognitron?

      • Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        He is not first named on all of them, which means he likely advised masters and PhD/post docs on their work. It’s not uncommon.

        This many papers is uncommon, but how it happened is not out of the norm.

        • casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          Right, I didn’t mean to imply that the practice was uncommon, just that using it as a defense of ego so readily was eyebrow-raising. I’m no academic, but I feel like I’d lose respect for my advisor had they used the paper I worked hard on as a way to boost numbers used as personal defense in some petty squabble in a public forum.

    • buddascrayon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      9 months ago

      There are some people in this world who are smarter and more motivated than we are.

      And then there are people who get a head start when their rich daddy gives 'em a bunch of money and they get lucky with how they invest that money but pretend to be a genius anyway.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
              05·
              9 months ago

              True, but you can compare writing 4000 novels a year with being able to write 80 papers a few pages long in 2.5 and say that both are possible.

              • refalo@programming.devEnglish
                4·
                9 months ago

                He didn’t write all those papers. He put his name on them. He also finds it worth his time to publicly argue with a pig in shit, so there’s that.

              • candybrie@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                9 months ago

                The writing of the paper is generally a trivial part of the work. Each technical paper is supposed to be a succinct summary of months or years of technical work.

  • bouldering_barista@lemmy.worldEnglish
    153·
    9 months ago

    Why are we still sharing snapshots from twitter?

    Let’s start capturing more interesting conversations that are happening on Lemmy and other places!

    • BuckFigotstheThird@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      9 months ago

      THANK YOU.

      I persistently work to get Twitter, elon, musk, cyber truck, Tesla, spacex, and every other x-affiliated bullshit out of my newsfeed, just for people to screenshot this shitty website. You like twitter, keep it on twitter. Cool.

      I suppose I’ll block the person who uploaded it.

      edit:spelling

      • isaaclw@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        9 months ago

        Nah. Brinfing them here is more diversity, and lets people choose.

        People will use twitter and tumbler and instagram, even if they switch from reddit to lemmy.

  • nifty@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    9 months ago

    What does you’re going soft, try harder even mean in this case? I think that’s a troll, right? Right? I mean, even one solid theory from a paper can change the course of an industry. How do people think things work? I feel dizzy reading this whole exchange

  • Miaou@jlai.luEnglish
    11·
    9 months ago

    Anyone not knowing who LeCun has no idea about anything deep learning related.

    • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.eeEnglish
      21·
      9 months ago

      The CEO of Neuralink? I’m betting he understands rocket science & e-vehicles about as well as he does deep learning.

      Capitalism: with driving seats for the most gloriously incompetent idiots & assholes. Narcissistic aspiring oligarchs? Welcome to the land of plenty.

  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    101·
    9 months ago

    Bro Elon got absolutely ratio’d there when the scientist shared their papers. Like less people saw it and double the amount of likes.

    That is very surprising honestly.