• Zetta@mander.xyz
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    You guys are weird, abortion is on the ballot in many states and is a far bigger deal to the vast majority of Americans than anything happening in Gaza.

    Not that what is happening in Gaza Isn’t horrible or important but the reality is most Americans don’t care that much. Bidens gonna win mainly because abortion is on the ballet, and yes I will come back to this post when he wins to remind you I was right.

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      abortion is on the ballot in many states

      Who should I vote for if I want to protect women’s bodily autonomy? The party that is limiting it, or the party that shrugged and said they won’t do anything to protect it?

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        Yeah this is where I’m at. Why exactly is abortion on the ballot during Biden’s term? Shouldn’t we blame this problem on him then? Biden has very clear steps he could take to protect abortion. He could put clinics on federal land, or pack the supreme court with 10 pro-choice judges. He could do anything other than absolutely nothing.

        It’s also not on the ballot in my state of Texas.

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      ROE V WADE HAS ALREADY BEEN OVERTURNED YOU NUMBSKULL AND IT WAS OVERTURNED UNDER BIDEN YOU FUCKING DOOFUS.
      Dems have shown they do not give a shit about abortion rights, they didn’t enshrine Roe so they could beat you over the head with it.

      And hey FUCK YOU FOR DOWNPLAYING GENOCIDE. “Uhhh yeah what is happening is Gaza is totally horrible or important or whatever, but have you considered some bad things might happen to meeeeee?”
      There’s a line in the sand and the line is genocide. Next you will say “trump is worse” IM NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP. This whole “uhhhh the gop is worse” has now led you to support genocide instead of demanding the lowest of fucking bars be upheld.

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      Biden is losing in polls at around the margin of voters who are deeply invested in what’s going on with Gaza. He’s lost the support of virtually every Muslim in America, and that’s important in states with a lot of Muslims like Michigan and Minnesota. He’s rapidly losing support among younger people, who are also the ones most interested in abortion rights.

      I actually do think Biden may win, but my gut says it’ll be a very funny situation where he wins the electoral college while losing the popular vote.

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      Why are you pretending that Biden isn’t currently in power and hasn’t been in power for the past 4 fucking years? Why has he done jackshit about abortion as of yet, and why do you think he’ll do something once reelected?

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      Not that what is happening in Gaza Isn’t horrible or important but the reality is most Americans don’t care that much.

      I wish no harm on the American ruling class. My enemy is the American people.

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      Bidens gonna win mainly because abortion is on the ballet, and yes I will come back to this post when he wins to remind you I was right.

      I’ll remind you constantly when he loses mao-wave

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      most Americans don’t care that much.

      Our foriegn policy has direct effects on global markets. Our excessive sanctions squeeze supply and drive up prices. Our overt and covert meddling in the Global South effect prices and eventually mass migrants. They’ll get frothingfash mad at the “invasion at the border” but they refuse to take that next logical past the nose leap and ask what is the root cause of this? They’ll move armies of trucks and tractors for symptoms, but refuse to see America for the damned monster it is despite people through the generations pointing to exactly the problem

      Fascists that control the finacial class in this country.

      Smedley Butler warned us they wanted to do a fascist coup. Eisenhower warned us of the investor-defense Military Industrial Complex. Kennedy warned us that those who are unable to protest in their nations for peaceful change will result in violent overthrows. Wesley Clark said we were taken over by a Policy Coup by the Project for a New American Century bolton

      It takes maaybe a few hours of cursory education to see finance corrupt politicians and finance manipulating foreign policy and how that directly effects prices at home.

      The knock on effects of this war and subsequent consequences in the Middle East, Africa, and Europe will directly be felt in American pocketbooks forever. Once it inflates, capital wants to lock in those inflated prices. That is the nature. Every dollar they earn, have earned, will earn is now worth less because they didn’t give a shit about some brown people being genocided.

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      Legitimate question: is abortion on the ballot in Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, or Georgia?

      Because if not, then it’s entirely irrelevant. Totally irrelevant. As much as everyone talks about voting (or not voting} for Biden or Trump, for the overwhelming majority of Americans who don’t live in a swing state their voting for president is pointless. So unless abortion is on the ballot in swing states it’s a non-factor.

      Abortion does motivate people, and that factors into it if it’s on the ballot in swing states. But when you look at presidential candidates you would be hard pressed to find a candidate with as bad of numbers that Biden has inside and outside of his party. Not even LBJ had as bad of numbers and he dropped out of the race because he knew how unpopular he was.

      Edit: According to this map, the only swing state where abortion might be on the ballot is Arizona; and Nevada if you count that as a swing state.

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        It’s going to be in the ballot in Arizona, I haven’t checked the others

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      If Biden wins it will be because he convinced morons like you that “Abortion is on the ballot”. It must be nice to have no thoughts and just repeat advertising slogans. Do you just have “Eat Fresh” playing on loop in your head as well?

      If abortion is on the ballot, then go vote for that actual policy in your state. There is no way to guarantee that Democrats protect abortion rights even if elected, and their track record is piss poor. Electing Biden will do nothing about abortion in individual states, and we know that because he isn’t doing shit about those restrictions now.

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        I mean I’ll be voting for Biden mainly because Trump’s a dictator wannabe (you guys like that right?) and Biden has sorta done an okay job supporting Ukraine with military aid, which I also support. Abortion is on the ballot in my state so I will be voting to support that as well.

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          Biden has sorta done an okay job supporting Ukraine with military aid, which I also support

          You support a fascist coup regime

          I’ll be voting for Biden

          You support genocide

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            ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don’t believe Ukraine is a fascist coup regime, in fact I think that’s a better description of Russia except the coup part, Putin just has total control anyway.

            Either way since you seem to support Russia I will just state how much I love seeing the significant material and personnel loss Russia is suffering in the invasion. It is astonishing how significantly Ukraine has degraded their capabilities and displaced their status as one of the best armies in the world, and I honestly cannot wait to see what Ukraine does next.

            I don’t know what my favorite part is, Ukraine destroying/disabling Russia’s entire black sea fleet (they are too scared to use their remaining ships since they have lost so many) or that Ukraine has removed 10% (maybe up to 15% so far https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-strikes-may-have-hit-15-russian-refinery-capacity-nato-official-2024-04-04/) of Russia’s refinery capacity with drone strikes, and that number will continue to grow.

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              Lmao “concerned” about genocide and cheering on fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian child. Fuck you for being excited about war.

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                I doubt you will since you probably dislike me but check out the song Vicarious by Tool, read the lyrics.

                It’s funny you highlight Ukraine’s losses when Russia’s are significantly higher. Ukraine gets to fight for their land as long as Ukraine wants to, you don’t get to say “oh think of the Ukrainian children” like you care for them.

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                    You misunderstood the song, the point of the song is that everyone feeds on someone else’s misfortune. Humans have an intrinsic need for violence and horror, just watch the news and that’s all that they have on because that’s what people want to see.

                    The very first line in the song is more inline with how I feel it relates to me and all other humans “Eye on the TV, 'cause tragedy thrills me”

                    The only lyric that mentions angels is mocking people for believing mankind intrinsically has a good heart.

                    “Credulous at best, your desire to believe in Angels in the hearts of men Pull your head on out your hippy haze and give a listen”

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                  We care more than you, you deranged monster

                  The only thing a Ukrainian child is good to you for is cannon fodder in your insane war against Russia which for you has nothing to do with Russia as a country and everything to with your conspiracy theories about the 2016 election that you still haven’t gotten over

                  ukkkraine is more fascist than russia-cool and no amount of your ignorance will change that any more than your ignorance will change the outcome for those nazi fucks you support

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              Who gives a shit what you believe. Educate yourself before you open your mouth.
              The current government of Ukraine was literally installed via a coup in 2014. Do you not know your history? The US government hand-picked their stooges to run the place, a conversation between then assistant secretary of state victoria nuland and some other ghoul was leaked confirming this very thing https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-2607995
              Why do you think both Trump and Bidens corruption scandals were embroiled in Ukraine?

              Do not speak on things you do not know of. History didn’t start on October 7th nor did it start at the invasion of ukraine.

              The fact that you try to make this about Russia is only worse, you’re employing a poor rhetorical trick to misdirect the conversation to one of moral value with no relation to material analysis. No one here supports Russia, this a LGBTQ safe space you fucking idiot. We’re just not blind dogs for the US empire, uncritically cheering as hundreds of thousands are pointlessly thrown into a meatgrinder in order to sustain the imperialist west for a few meagre seasons more.

              Instead of trying for yet another poor dunk, try to employ your empathy or curiosity and consider (and then INVESTIGATE GODDAMMIT) why we might believe what we believe. You’re a fucking idiot if you think we’re cheering for Putin. Learn what critical support entails and learn why people argue that it is better NATO loses instead of Russia.

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                Well I do appreciate some of the insight in this comment, I was under the impression hexbear supported Russia and I was confused about that given the state of LGBT rights there. I even considered making a post here asking that exact question!

                I’ll do some more reading on Ukraine’s current government but doubt my overall opinion on supporting them will change.

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            I think you’re joking but I honestly have no idea what you folks are saying 68% of the time

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                ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you all just use lingo, jokes, and references I don’t understand, I’m not proud to be ignorant but ok

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                  Then educate yourself.

                  you all just use lingo, jokes, and references I don’t understand

                  Oh no! Has the niche online webforum cultivated a unique culture? Egads!

                  Go back to reddit

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                    Lol well me interacting here is partially because I find hexbear interesting and I want to know more. I deleted my reddit account the day they disabled 3rd party apps :'(. I like Lemmy

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          Trump’s a dictator wannabe (you guys like that right?)

          Ah fuck, you got us. Superb dunk.

          How can it be that you guys are all writing the same tired dogbrained cardboard cutout milquetoast shit, yet you all think you’re somehow the first to do it? How can you be this much of a basicass lib and still think you have any unique or new thoughts to share? At least try, please. Spend like 20 minutes of effort learning what the viewpoint you’re critiqueing is, your dunks would be so much better. You guys never do though, and why? Are you afraid you might learn something?

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          Fuck Trump.

          Of course you would support continuing the wars, it’s your favorite past-time, liberal. You claim people don’t care about foreign policy, and yet here you are, making a vote based on foreign policy.

          Yeah, yeah, we know what you care about. us-foreign-policy

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            My understanding of what a liberal is is just the first paragraph on Wikipedia and I assume that’s not exactly what you think of as a liberal? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

            I’m not sure what I am politically, I’ve never given it much thought. I just vote based on who’s available to vote for and what they support specifically.

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              My understanding of what a liberal is is just the first paragraph on Wikipedia

              peltier-laugh Hey I have a hard time parsing tone on text, are you doing a bit? You’re legally required to tell me if you’re doing a bit. This is great stuff.

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              On here we use global definition of liberal. This mean that they support private property, capitalism, current world system, and the bourgeois rule. They can want anything from the strict austerity to the social democracy. Liberalism is the official ideology of the United States Constitution. Every politician in the United States is a liberal. Two party system do not allow anyone who is not a liberal to run.

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          Definitely, unlike you who loves freedom and democracy, we hate all people and think they should be lorded over by an unaccountable dictator who society has no influence on the decision of, no matter how unpopular that person is, we just want to force them through!

          Wait that’s Biden

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      the reality is most Americans don’t care that much

      But we do. And thats we refuse to vote for genocide enablers but I understand condemning genocide is a skill issue for you

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      Bidens gonna win mainly because abortion is on the ballet,

      Roe v Wade was lost under Biden’s administration.

      Biden had control of the house and senate when he was elected and did nothing to protect the right to abortion.

      Democrats have been running on promises to codify Roe v Wade into law for decades. Curiously, they never actually try to make good on it when they get into office on that promise.

      You have to be a grade-A sucker to believe Biden is going to do fuck-all about women’s rights if he gets re-elected.

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        I think I failed to convey my original point. The comment I responded to said this will be the lowest-turnout election in history and Biden will lose.

        Because abortion is actually going to be on the ballot in numerous states I think this may be one of the highest turnouts ever, and I think the people turning up to vote yes on protecting abortion will also vote for Biden, regardless of what he actually does for abortion.

        Fingers crossed if he wins they will actually make it federal law, but that’s not what I meant when I said abortion is on the ballot.

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          When you are wrong, when it turns out you’ve been a fool and are more wrong with this prediction than you can currently imagine, will you remember this?

          Will you take a single solitary moment to reflect about the foolishl reasoning that brought you here?

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      You guys are weird, abortion is on the ballot in many states

      Yeah in specific state ballots you dumb fuck lmao, that doesn’t magically translate into turnout for the general election, especially considering Roe vs Wade was lost under Biden’s watch and he doesn’t support “abortion on demand” as he calls it

      Do you even support abortion, feels like you just picked an issue at random to try and engineer a gotcha, despite the fact you clearly had no idea about Biden’s stated position lmao try again

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      Lmao bidens going to win because abortion is on the ballot

      You’re an absurd person, do you know that?

      Do you know that Biden is personally responsible for helping block enshrinning abortion rights into law at least twice?

      Do you even pay the slightest attention to the actions these people take, or do you just cheer and clap while reading press statements and Twitter posts

      Gullible fool