like a general litmus test or something
Color revolutions:
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English signs in a country where nobody speaks English.
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Anglo media platforms those protests.
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Anglo social media does nothing but talk about them.
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DemocracyTM
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Leaders are all cutouts of some Western NGO.
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Leaders speak perfect English.
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Memes and symbols that come from the protests can always be perfectly translated into English with no cultural context lost.
There’s also some dipshit French public intellectualTM who always shows up right when a color revolution is about to commence, but I forgot the dude’s name.
Bernard-Henri Levy lol
Yep, that’s him lol
- Flying the flags of western nations and explicit calling for them to do a military intervention against the country
colour revolution pics with flags in them
★★★★★
There’s also some dipshit French public intellectualTM who always shows up right when a color revolution is about to commence, but I forgot the dude’s name.
Hmmm might be Raphael Glucksmann ?
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1: lots of signs in English (assuming it’s a non-English speaking country)
2: really vague, buzzword based political goals (“democracy” “freedom” “power to the people”)
Is a color Revolution just like an astroturf by the fed and private business
Yeah, it’s just a Cold War-era term for sabotage via astroturfed counterrevolution.
Litmus test: Are they suddenly getting widespread positive coverage in western news?
But the real answer is that every protest is on a spectrum between the two. What makes a color revolution so effective is that it redirects legitimate alienation towards reactionary ends
Litmus test: Are they suddenly getting widespread positive coverage in western news?
Came here to post this same thing. More to it than that, and there’s a lot of great answers here, but that is a shortcut to at least determine if its sus.
Potential for co-option always blurs the line, too, especially in cases like decentralized Occupy sort of stuff. That sort of leaderless, ad-hoc angle can have perks, but leaves a fundamental opening for bad actors.
Yeah I’d agree with that litmus test. Ukraine is a good example of that, even disregarding their 2004 protest as I’m not sure it always comes in the form of a peaceful protest.
Ukraine was ranked as one of the more corrupt countries in the world circa ~2015.
Then there was a TV show running in Ukraine from 2015 to 2019 starring Zelensky as president of Ukraine. You’ll never guess what happened next…
And before everyone gets all “Ukraine good, Russia bad” yes, that was horrible of Russia to start a war. Fuck politicians for using people as pawns.
But I think this paints a clearer picture as to how we got here
This is hexbear, we use Moscow time to plan our movie nights /j
Seriously though, the backpedaling is going to get more pushback than criticizing the oligarchs and their pet banderites.
Wow, fair enough. This might be the only leftist forum where I can imply zelensky is a puppet and not get down voted into oblivion for saying anything against the narrative. Wild times.
Name a leftist forum that would do that to you and I’ll invoke the “no true marxist” defense. /joke
It legitimately displays a childlike understand of the world to ignore material reality in favor of vibes. /not joke
Furthermore, I invite you to hang out in our news comm. you’ll find people who actually investigate the root causes of current events there.
That channel does pop up on my feed from time to time, but I’m ngl the whole communist thing and pronoun push turns me in the other direction
Well, I’m here to be rational and have a nice discussion. Maybe we can work through that?
If you don’t mind me asking: what do you ID as politically? Believe it or not we won’t ban you just for not being marxist-Leninist. We tolerate all sorts of liberals.
What do you mean by pronoun push? Hexbear had a pronoun field, yes. We respect the pronouns people ask us to use, yes. We are never going to force you to use or ID pronouns for yourself. Our site explored has “none/use name” as an option. I personally use the comrade option, because I think that’s nifty and wish it existed irl.
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I don’t really know what I identify as politically, but it’s somewhere between liberal, libertarian, and conservative.
By pronoun push, I mean why even display it? None of that info really matters in an anon online forum
pronoun push
I don’t want to detract from the main line of discussion here, but I find this to be a weird hangup. It’s been a normal thing since at least Facebook’s founding for social media sites to list the user’s gender. I kind of wish there was a more elegant solution in broadly-understood culture, but I think listing how the user would like to be referred to if you discuss them in the third person is, if anything, far less invasive with labeling than the common alternatives (including not including such information, which produces endless little worthless discursive circles of “actually I’m not a he” from assuming everyone on the internet is a man).
I was specifically talking about anonymous forums, Facebook is a bit different.
Just call people by their username, who gives a fuck what anyone is - that’s the whole point of an anonymous forum. Maybe this is insensitive, but being misgendered on an anon online forum, open to the public, is not a big deal. If it effects you that much, there’s a high likelihood you’re narcissistic or need some counseling/exercise/sleep/food.
I don’t care if you call me he, she or something in-between, at the end of the day no one knows who you really are in a place like this. So I’m back to: it doesn’t fucking matter
We don’t have downvotes also
We have down Bears though:
yes, that was horrible of Russia to start a war.
Honestly not really. The alternative was allow Ukraine to set up as a springboard for operation Barbarossa 2, which would mean nuclear war. Russia objectively saved the world by destroying a decades worth of western plans in Ukraine. Feel bad for the citizens of the Donbas obviously, but even western Ukrainian citizens only have so much of my sympathy. Now they’re being picked up off the street and suddenly war in the east isn’t so fun anymore.
but even western Ukrainian citizens only have so much of my sympathy
Ukrainians voted in Zelenskyy because he ran on a platform of stopping the conflict and killings in Donbas, remember
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You are both correct. On an individual oblast level his highest support was in the east. That being said he did win the other oblasts except for Lviv but by a more narrow margin
That is a good point and I agree up to a point, but like I said my sympathy is limited, not nonexistent.
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I doubt that was the endgame here, the west doesnt want to do a real war with russia they just want to pressure them into letting western companies extract all that natural gas for themselves.
I’m going to heavily disagree obviously. It’s very clear that nato was building up a military force to push into the Donbas, that’s the entire premise the special military operation was built on. The Donbas has a large portion of Ukraines natural resources and also a majority of its production capacity. I’m not trying to be argumentative or anything, but I gotta ask, why exactly would nato want that stuff if the plan was not to take Russian resources by force at a later time? They could simply buy it on the market right now, but instead they chose to coup a government on Russias border, arm and train them to nato standards, make war with its Eastern oblasts, then once Russia actually did something about it, nato dumps even more billions of dollars into its armed forces. Ultimately what you’re saying is “nato wouldn’t do that” but that’s IS exactly what I expected from nato to be honest.
Nuclear winter is not very profitable.
You and I understand that, but profit seeking is not always logical. In nato stockpiles right now there are tactical nukes (nukes that have a small enough payload that they could theoretically destroy one city or so) as if any nuclear nation on this planet would not immediately release their entire nuclear arsenal at the thought of being nuked in any capacity. Being nuked isn’t profitable, neither is climate change ultimately, doesn’t mean they aren’t doing it though.
The invasion is not a good thing and I dont see russia as justified here, given the harm on the civilian poulation is far worse in this scenerio.
Time and time again Russia has been shown to take great care NOT to deliberately attack civilian populations. For example civilian casualties in European wars have historically been 1:1 with military casualties. Ukraine has suffered losses estimated to be closing in on 500,000. Their civilian population however has casualties in the ~20-30,000 range. No where near a 1:1 even if you included the casualties of the pre invasion Donbas war (~12-14,000).
No the war as a whole is not good, but to throw that blame at Russia is not right. the invasion was justified because had Russia not done anything Ukraine would have at least invaded the Donbas region with NATOs approval and assistance. Because of the invasion Russia has defeated NATOs easternmost army, drained a huge chunk of NATOs stockpile that will take years to build up again, secured and is in the process of rebuilding the Donbas, and has given many nations across the globe a sign that nato is not as powerful as it appears. The only thing bad about this is it did it as the Russian federation and not the Soviet Union which is EXTREMELY disappointing. It’s easy to simply be against war, if that’s your position then I understand, but when looking at the situation at hand Russia really did make the best play it could from a shit hand that it was dealt.
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Actually from what we now know, NATO’s intention was to use the unprecedented sanctions to crush Russia’s economy, which they apparently expected would collapse within weeks. Ukraine’s job was to hold out the Russian advances for a few weeks until the collapsing economy forces Russia to retreat, and for the Russians come back to beg the US/EU to let them sell oil and gas again.
At the same time, we also know that Ukraine had been building up its military since 2014, with the explicit goal of recapturing Donbass and Crimea. If Ukrainian army had reached Donetsk city, it would have been a nightmare for the Russians to retake it again. The civilian casualties could easily go magnitudes of order higher. In this sense, Russia’s pre-emptive strike was almost inevitable if the goal was to prevent the Ukrainians from reaching Donetsk at all cost.
You’re welcome, thank you for not taking it negatively, I didn’t want to come off as argumentative as I said before. As far as direct land invasion I’m pretty sure that if that plan was in the works it would have been at least 30-50 years out. I believe the plan was to win the war against the Donbas with the Ukrainian army, take the resources in the Donbas, make the Donbas the new military supply hub for nato, take Crimea, then eventually start war with Russia. In the meantime color revolution is always on the table. That color revolution would partially look like the sanctions that ended up failing anyways and also maybe terrorism from the ukronazis who would theoretically be occupying the Donbas in this scenario. You could kinda see that taking place with the few units that have crossed into Russian territory proper.
When Azov Nazis showed up at the HK protests a few years ago, you just know.
The amount of English used. English communications are usually for a foreign, likely American or general Western audience.
Obviously this only applies to non English speaking countries, or countries where English is not the lingua franca.
Empty cardboard boxes in israel labeled “BABY FOOD”
Or when Israel has propaganda videos telling Gazans what to do, in English while the internet is cut off in Gaza.
Mild push back here, a lot of pro-palestine stuff is in English even from Palestine.
Are the people protesting carrying signs in english and not in their native language ? then probably is a color revolution protest.
The protest’s endgoal seems to be about opening up the country to increased Western capital.
Support from OSINT
Support from OSINT
Damn, this is so good. Another good criterion.
I mean, one big red flag in a color revolution is… uh… everyone coordinating around a big colored flag.
Can’t help but notice a huge fixation on liberal talking points - fixations on “free press” and “free trade” and “no more corruption”, particularly absent any tolerance for criticism of western venues. Any time people start waving American / British / French flags, that’s a huge warning sign. Insinuations that the current head of state is either a closeted homosexual or secretly about to die are also great signifiers. The hornier the press is for a potential replacement
dictatorsenior executive, the more likely its an Op.Are there a bunch of British and American flags being waved by the protestors? Do they have a bunch of signs in english for no reason? Are they asking for foreign intervention from NATO or the US? Is CNN and other bourgeois media reporting on it nonstop, and are they described as freedom fighters by such media? It’s always kind of obvious when it’s a color revolution.
The thing about spycraft is you you will never really know for sure. However, if it serves western interests it doesn’t matter. You have to treat them like it is
Spoiler: it always is. Colour coups are very cheap money and manpower wise compared to results, so there’s always some dirty CIA money under them.
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Hlaf agree on this because of the english in signs BUT the simpsons are latin american heritage and you will see memes with them
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I was going to say, the protest signs are a good additional piece of data, along with other things. If they’re in the local language, it’s pretty obvious who the target audience is. If it’s in English… a little suspect (in my book)
If rfa or rferl is too chummy about it.
It’s not binary, it’s normally messy, politics is very messy
Yeah, US State/CIA don’t create these kind of protests out of thin air. They usually insert themselves into legitimate protests movements of people with real issues with their government, but who don’t want to overthrow it and become US puppets.
That’s what happened at the Tianemen Square protests. The mass of people were socialists students with issues they cared about, but US State backed elements worked their way into coopting it. The Belarus protests from a few years ago is a more recent example.
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Exactly. They look for existing movements and conflicts that they can use as a vehicle for their own aims. And then use propaganda to make Westoids believe its good for them too
This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
How the Western media covers it within the
Yeah this is the best way. Does the USA endorse the protests? Then something’s fishy.
