https://defed.xyz No real surprises, but the list pales compared to Lemmygrad’s still, they have 3x as many defeds.
Lmao its good to see the worst instances leave.
Does anyone else find it really, really funny that the only nationality instance to defed from us so far is Canada? I mean, I get why, but I honestly expected the UK one to leave us first.
I’m not really surprised, sadly. A lot of their userbase is from /r/onguardforthee, which is small-L and capital-L liberal central. Their only real beef with Reddit is that the Reddit admins are making Reddit increasingly uncivil. They have no ideological problem with mainstream Reddit thought, especially when it comes to their kneejerk defence of capitalism.
That and the large amounts of err, “Ukrainian Patriots” having an influence in Canada. When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things. And her uncle also was a big proponent of the double genocide republishing said nazi propaganda as ‘research’.
Surprised they lasted as long as they did before defederating given that.
I knew about her grandfather (whose wikipedia page is incredibly whitewashed) but I didn’t know about her uncle. Not a surprise of course.
When your deputy prime minister is the granddaughter of a Nazi propagandist it tends to influence things.
For anyone who might be wondering, it definitely doesn’t end with her grandfather. She has denied that her grandfather was a Nazi and said claims that he was are Russian disinformation (lol). This isn’t even a her being stubborn and refusing to see the facts thing, because it has been proven that she has known this to be true going back at the very least back to the 90s.
Also uh holding this banner
The Canadian instance is landlord cental apparently
It seems like all Canadian online forums/subreddits/whatever are like 90% people who are landlords and/or landlord sympathizers.
It’s really fucking weird when you consider what percentage of the actual population are landlords (especially among the main internet using demographics)
Which is honestly really surprising to me, given the sorry state of housing in Canada.
sorry
You missed the German instance near the top which defederated at the same time as Beehaw so like 3-4 weeks (or 6 not exactly sure) before we federated.
Beehaw and the German instance where the first two to block hexbear pre-emptively.
Isn’t shitjustworks also Canadian?
yes but one of their admins said nice things about us!
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2367564
"Also, FWIW I think Hexbear is an integral pillar of Lemmy and defederating from them would be a mistake, especially seeing as lemmy.world has already done so. I believe that it’s critical for other large instances to maintain federation with Hexbear and work through these disagreements.
Any large instance is guaranteed to have trolls, fools, and malicious actors. As long as the admins of the instances can come to an understanding and work together, conflicts between individual users can be dealt with. Defederation is a last resort for extreme cases and it’s rather worrying how frequently it has been discussed all across Lemmy in the past two months."
Wrong link, but surprisingly useful, I’ll have to pass it on.
Amazing comment, especially about defederation being the last resort.
Edit: jerboa and infinity are just being broken. I got some DIY HRT thread, saved it, but jerboa decided to not actually save it. Opened up the link in a browser and it’s showing the correct thread.
No real surprises, but the list pales compared to Lemmygrad’s still, they have 3x as many defeds.
A lot of that is because they use a block list while we use an allow list, so a lot of instances haven’t defederated with us bc we haven’t federated with them in the first place.
Do you know how you decide which instances are federated with?
Users can nominate them. If it’s controversial, it goes up for discussion
Oh cool, thanks for your input comrade
I think thats still a bit undecided. Thought we trust our admins judgement and they do at least ask us first.
“Admins you can trust”, a concept of something like “politicians you can trust”. A concept completely and utterly inconcievable for a westerner.
I love we have admins who we can trust.
the blahaj defed thread being unanimously in support of the admin decision must have been funny to observe from a lib perspective. like why aren’t these commies arguing with their leaders, how can they possibly all agree??
😎
I am in awe of your power
We are forever cursed to be the real libs
there must be a way to learn this incredible power.
It’s called pig poop balljutsu
give it time. lemmygrad had been federated for much longer
Is “who can get more defederated” the struggle session that will destroy the hexbear-lemmygrad alliance?
The new Sino-Soviet split
screaming at each other about who are the real revisionists
Competing on defederations
Mirroring our defederations
Lemmy.ca was the funniest out of them all. I wish they were still here. If Canadians were a real thing, it would so ridiculous.
Lib.lgbt , beehaw ? Whaa why ?
Because we’re mean scary tankies and we might be mean to them and make them feel bad about being horrible horrible shit libs
I can at least understand why Beehaw did. They defederated from lemmy.world at the beginning because they take moderation pretty seriously and couldn’t keep up with the sheer size of Lemmy.world. Hexbear is simply too active within their fediverse to keep up with all the shit that comes along with Hexbear. Even if it isn’t users from here being a bit spammy (I’ll be honest, it sometimes is though, it was the same when Chapo was on Reddit) the responses to Hexbear users just have a lot more vitriol than is worth introducing into a space like Beehaw.
Beehaw is very cool about applying for alt accounts as long as you haven’t been banned and that’s one thing good about the fediverse. You are allowed to go over there, but you have to follow their rules. They don’t really fuck with instances with open sign up because of how seriously they take moderation there, so honestly dropping Hexbear pre-emptively is fine. They’re pretty consistent with how they federate and defederate around their ability to moderate everything.
Idk, I think with federation we have to understand that Hexbear comes with a huge open sign up userbase with controversial opinions. And particularly active commenters compared to the rest of the fediverse. There are some instances we simply are not compatible with.
Beehaw are snakes and nothing they say should be trusted, I remember them trying to get people to leave lemmy.ml for their instance with the sole argument being they don’t federate with lemmygrad back in the day when there were like 5 instances. Their main recruitment tactic was to talk about lemmygrad lol. One argument they used to defederate from lemmygrad back then was that we were apparently so big, we filled up their disk space when they opened federation. And then they found out it was actually a bug and log files didn’t get deleted. Took them a few days to actually go into the FTP and look at it lol (and back then lemmy.ml was as big as us anyway). We received neither an apology or an offer to refederate.
Now they make a ton of donation money and can get additional admins and even community mods. On lemmygrad we have no problem being federated with lib instances like world or ee and we don’t make a single cent in donation to host the website or work on it.
They’re just typical anti-communists.
Beehaw pre-emptively defederated us before we even federated.
I’d what’s up with lib.lgbt but I think “lib” is probably the operative word.
Lib.lgbt just looks upto behaaw , just checked their desc !
They say that defederating from hexbear was because CA and world did
Similarly to lemmy.ca and lemmy.world, we are also unfederated from hexbear.
They defederated 20 minutes after lemmy.ca did.
Is it because beehaw is a khive instance
The german one defederated at the same time as Beehaw btw. Just adding that for reference. It’s the one near the top.
beehaw was so scared of us they defederated weeks before we enabled federation. iirc it was even before we got on lemmy proper. we are the spectre haunting lemmy.
-ditIt’s kind of cool to see federation working as intended. I don’t think you’re going to miss thosw instances anyway lol.
>lib.lgbt defederated from hexbear
>lib.lgbt
>lib
Checks out
Slash to go greentext style, instead of quoting
> like this
The ‘\’ escape character seems to work for ‘>’
interesting, I was wondering if there was a way to find this
If no one else got me, I know the wonderful folks at lemmygrad got me. Can I get a
?Every time I see slurpnik.net I chuckle a little, such a funny name.
EDIT also damn beehaw ate shit
deleted by creator
Nationalists gonna nationalist
As a former Lemmur/Liftoff user: This is why I am now using Connect for lemmy app… It has “blocking” (hiding) of instances. The whole reddification and US centered brainwashing from lemny.“world” just got too invasive.
more like lemmy.theinternationalcommunity am I right folks
The top 2 posts on their world news right now are complete propoganda.
Kyiv Post and Euiromaidanpress sure sound like impartial sources that do not have any interest in supporting one side of the war to the point where outright lying becomes acceptable, surely.
American Puppet Mouthpiece Post and Murderous Coup Press say what?
Surely the liberals will be here to screech about bias any time now!
I’m really glad programming.dev didn’t defederate. I first discovered lemmygrad and then hexbear through that instance. Since Stalin can suck it, here I am.
Stalin can suck it
He sure could
Oh wait do you mean that as a bad thing?
Glad to have you :rat-salute-2:
If you are looking for a good leftist take on Stalin that includes a whole chapter criticizing the USSR (but not from a U.S. propaganda angle), might I recommend Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti?
Tons of free PDFs if you google it. Very readable, pretty short, and you can get a lot of the material from his lectures on YouTube if you’re pressed for time.Parenti’s analysis of Stalin in Blackshirts and Reds is the weakest part of an otherwise excellent book. I can’t really fault him as at the time of writing, the Soviet archives had not yet been analyzed in their entirety. For a better analysis that focuses specifically on Stalin, read Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend.
Just ordered this, excited to read it
Thanks, and thanks for the recommendation, I’ll check it out.
My main issue with him is due to the Tito-Stalin split. Non-aligned > USSR
I think on the other hand you really have to consider the fact that if there was no soviet union then the capitalist powers would have torn Yugoslavia apart. It took a major world power being communist to occupy all the west’s attention
Mmm I can see it. Yeah, that’s the type of criticism from the left stuff that makes sense.
Btw, the Drug of part of my nick is the Yugoslavian version of comrade. Drug/Drugarica means male/female friend.
And to return a book recommendation, “counterrevolution and revolt” has some great points against using Marx and Soviet literature to educate new revolutionaries.
Oooh who’s the author?
Herbert Marcuse, here’s the wiki link
Stalin is sad now, don’t hurt my baby
He hurt my Yugoslavia, made it take aid from dirty capitalist pig, called Tito a fake communist and tried to get him killed. He should be sad
yeah, the tito stalin split was not good, but he is very sorry
he absolutely isn’t but sure.
I think the main thing to bear in mind about Yugoslavia is that whatever issues Yugoslavia had with the soviet union being in the soviet sphere of influence also protected them from the NATO block. After the soviet union fell apart the Germans, Americans, and British all started egging on different ethnic groups to give them resourses and kill each other for those resources and look how that turned out.
Note: these are just my thoughts on the matter. I was born in Yugoslavia, but the only thing I experienced were American bombs. My views were formed by research and talking with people from different countries who lived through most of it.
The fall of USSR was definitely a factor, but I don’t think it’s nearly as important as you’re making it out to be. Also, Stalin was the reason why Yugoslavia’s planned economy was fucked and why it had to take western money to survive. Don’t get me wrong, the western influences were definitely a factor, but there was a lot more going at the time.
The whole federation was held together by a cult of personality, nearly nothing was done to resolve internal issues and nationalism, and there wasn’t a sensible plan on what to do after Tito. That gave western agencies a route to sow dissent.
On top of that, letting Albanians anywhere near the federation was a massive mistake, almost as bad as not purging Croatian Nazism more thoroughly. Proof enough is that during the 90s Croatians were bombing their own predominantly antifascist cities, saying they’re being bombed by the imaginary Serbian navy, and that sort behaviour is continuing to this day as they’re heavily restricting funding in the formerly antifascist and currently anti-nationalist regions. For example I’ve talked with a mayor of a Croatian village, and they told me that they’re getting next to no money because they’re not patriotic enough. What that means is that they’re speaking a local dialect which doesn’t conform with the new Croatian language.
Hey, that’s where I’m visiting from!
I suggest making an alt at least. The way federation is going for hexbear, it’s the first instance I’ve used where it makes sense to browse by all instead of local.
Yeah I’ll get a local account just in case they chicken out of federating with your instance like the rest
They’re still federated with lemmygrad so I doubt it. Also, FOSS is pretty communist
Sad to see slrpnk there, they were a personal favourite of the small early instances.
The only annoying thing about ones like lemmy.world defedding is that I can’t post to niche communities like /c/jpegxl that were founded there for no particular reason.
The centralisation of comms into lemmy.world just because it’s the biggest and its consequences
I know there were hardware and other constraints but I still kinda wish it had ended up being lemmy.ml that absorbed more of the influx if it had to be one sort of ‘default instance’. I know it did a bit at first, but it pretty quickly flipped over to .world
