I think calling everyone a fascist would just water down the impact of the fascist world just like the far right- or far left-wing words which nowadays are just used on more left/right parties but are kinda not close on their agenda like the 20th century parties were where these definitons came from.
But educate me if some of these countries have parties which really apply most general aspects of the fascism movement
Germany definitely counts. The AfD is above 20%, in some states they might even govern alone. They probably will be part of the next government after the next election and they definitely are fascist.
the guy running for chancellor in Austria (Herbert Kickl) is calling himself “Volkskanzler”, guess who also called himself that? fucking Hitler. so no, I don’t think I’m over reacting
For people like me, that’s “People’s Chancellor”.
I’m calling myself human - you know who did that too? Fucking Ted.
everyone calls themself human, not everyone calls themself Führer, Reichskanzler, Volkskanzler, etc.
Now what is a Volkskanzler? In itself it should be a Kanzler, so a part of a democratic government, for the Volk, so the people. And I never actually heard about Hitler calling himself that, only that he was the Reichskanzler, Führer etc.
Edit:
After the end of the dictatorship, the original meaning was transferred both directly and indirectly to well-known democratic state politicians such as Ludwig Erhard and Bruno Kreisky.
So those democratic politicians are Hitlers too now?
no, they aren’t, because they were leftists trying to reclaim the word so they obviosly weren’t nazis, the people using it nowdays are far right, so it’s not really obvios wether they are nazis or not.
Most fascist movements die out before they can hold onto power long enough to transform society.
We tend to focus on the fascist movements that have obtained power on held onto it long enough to transform a country into a fascist state. Mussolini, Franco, Hitler etc.
But the danger is there so it’s important to be vigilant.
That being said… yeah, on lemmy.ml, anyone that fails the leftist purity test is a liberal and all liberals are fascists. Everyone is a fascist that isn’t an authoritarian with a red and yellow flag.
A few of the AFD highlights
Member of the Bundestag suggested to shoot every migrant at the border.
Another one claimed not every SS member was a bad person. Which lost them the support of French and Italian fascist.
Leader of the party in Thüringen, a history teacher, used a slogan of the SA.
There is many more…
We are allowed by court to call members of the FPÖ Kellernazis (people who are secretly Nazis when drinking with their buddies under the cellar) the FPÖ will most likely be the strongest party after the next Nationalrats election on September 29th. They will have something between 30 to 35% which is pretty strong. They have actual plans in their program to overthrow governments via referendum of the public and other things. So yes, it fits.
They are expected to have between 25 and 30 percent*
And usually prognosises tend to value them higher than they end up, so I guess we can expect them to get around 25%. Plenty of space for other parties to form a coalition.
Let’s say ist a tien in our expectations?
“Bolsonarismo” in Brazil has an uncanny resemblance to fascism
Wanting to ban mosques, the quran and muslim clothing like niqabs sounds pretty fascist to me (that’s what the biggest political party in The Netherlands wants). Thinking the European far right (that is rapidly gaining grounds) isn’t fascist or fascist leaning is a wild take.
Unfortunately most leftist parties in Europe suffer from the paradox of tolerance. And rightists are hypocritical in opposing Islam but supporting Christianity. There’s nobody anti-islamic who’s not a fascist, which is ironic since in some ways they are quite similar, and both are harmful to humanity.
(And to make it clear before you accuse me of being fascist, I oppose the currently dominant version of Islam which is not separable from politics, and which insists on actual belief in god and quran. Once it becomes a weakly held cultural category like Christianity in most of Europe I’ll be fine with it)
“There’s nobody anti-islamic who’s not a fascis”
I’m sorry but you can be violently anti-religion without being a fascist. Considering religions for what they are - a way to dominate the people by fear anddesinformation - does not mean that you are going to prevent people from practicing their religion. You are just making damn sure they don’t advocate them in public schools, hospitals and administrations.
Actually, no you can’t. What you are doing is substituting your political beliefs for your religious ones, and that at its core is what separates a facist from any other political belief system
Not if you don’t infringe on people’s right to practice
That’s the problem with both religion and politics. If you think you’re right and everyone else is wrong, you can’t help but to I fringe on other people’s right to practice. That’s why anyone that thinks a leftist government can be a democracy with opposition political parties is at best wrong
if calling it what it is waters it down so be it
“if using a word improperly muddies it’s definition, so be it”
Are you anti dictionary or something?
the fact you are in denial doesnt make the latest fascist wave any less fascist.
Where’s italy?
Italy’s taking the picture
they already are fascist, so no reason for them to run towards it, also they’re included in the EU
also they’re included in the EU
So’s Germany, France, and
LatviaAustria. AKA everyone pictured except the US.tbh I was just too lazy to insert every european flag, so I just put the EU one there and the countries I know some politicsl shit about
That’s fair 😁
Milei, Meloni, and Orban already ran by the cameraman.
right? I was like… these guys are only aspiring to fascism, where’s Orban?
I need to make a bot to post this any time fascism gets mentioned.
The western left’s use of the term fascism, is borderline white-supremacist at this point. Fascism was a form of colonialism that died by the 1940s, and is only allowed to be demonized in public discourse, because it was a form of colonialism directed also against white europeans. It was defeated, and Germany / Italy / Japan reverted to the more stable form of government for colonialism (practiced by the US, UK, France, the Netherlands, Australia, etc): bourgeois parliamentarism.
British, european, and now US colonizers were doing the exact same thing, and killing far more people for hundreds of years in the global south, yet you don’t hear ppl scared of their countries potentially "adopting parliamentary democracy”. They haven’t changed, and their wealth is still propped up by surplus value theft from the super-exploitation of hundreds of millions of low-paid global south proletarians.
This is why you have new leftists terrified that the UK or US or europe “might turn fascist!!”, betraying that the atrocities propagated by those empires against the global south was and is completely acceptable.
Make no mistake about it: parliamentary / bourgeois democracy is not only a more stable form of government, it’s also far more effective at carrying out colonialism, and killing millions of innocent people.
Fascism is a pretty specific ideology. If you want to learn more, Umberto Eco made a list.
I get where you’re getting at: the role of past and ongoing colonialism is still being downplayed. But you’re wrong. There are very good reasons why we should fear fascism in particular.
Umberto Eco completely ignores the material basis for fascism, which is usually the downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie. Fascism takes advantage of superstructural elements, which is why Eco’s list contains the elements it does in a kind of grab bag fashion. But it still has a material basis, itself being a response to a crisis within capitalism. Would highly recommend The Jakarta Method for further reading on what people are discussing in your replies and in this thread.
Umberto Eco completely ignores the material basis for fascism, which is usually the downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie.
The Nation, 2017: Trumpism: It’s Coming From the Suburbs
But scapegoating poor whites keeps the conversation away from fascism’s real base: the petite bourgeoisie. This is a piece of jargon used mostly by Marxists to denote small-property owners, whose nearest equivalents these days may be the “upper middle class” or “small-business owners.” FiveThirtyEight reported last May that “the median household income of a Trump voter so far in the primaries is about $72,000,” or roughly 130 percent of the national median. Trump’s real base, the actual backbone of fascism, isn’t poor and working-class voters, but middle-class and affluent whites. Often self-employed, possessed of a retirement account and a home as a nest egg, this is the stratum taken in by Horatio Alger stories. They can envision playing the market well enough to become the next Trump. They haven’t won “big-league,” but they’ve won enough to be invested in the hierarchy they aspire to climb. If only America were made great again, they could become the haute bourgeoisie—the storied “1 percent.”
another good read on the subject https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/trump-american-gentry-wyman-elites/620151/
democratic is a bit of a stretch though
