I’ll start
This is embarrassing but I cried when SHillary lost to Trump.
Damn this thread is really making me realize how much further along I am in the jokerfication process than even most of the sickos on this site.
When she lost I just cackled madly. That was the fucking funniest thing that could ever happen in that moment.
I was convinced Trump was going to win from the second I heard he was running lol
Your username is the funniest shit
In December 2015 I had already called the nomination for him, and I was the only person I knew who thought that was even remotely possible. Still never thought he’d win the general though.
Though I was definitely a lib I absolutely did laugh at Hilldawg losing lol
When she lost I just cackled madly. That was the fucking funniest thing that could ever happen in that moment.
It was definitely an “I’m not happy he won, but I’m really glad she lost” moment for me.
I’d heard she did some really heavy drinking after she lost, which is why she didn’t give a concession speech that night. I’ve never heard it either confirmed or debunked though.
I watched the election results live on the Alex Jones youtube stream because
. Was hoping for over the top rage, got him lighting up a cigar.
I met Nancy Pelosi at an event and called her a “rockstar.”
my sister you win
I never imagined
I’m crying
The libs inability to break the rules to stopbTrump turned me from a well meaning lib into a ancom.
Watching the rat fucking of Bernie in real time followed by the pandemic response turned me into an ML that wonders if the Soviets shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin.
My most lib moment before all of this was agreeing with someone that Snowden was bad because he endangered America.
Disclaimer: I’ve not kept up with Assange goings on so if there’s any dirty laundry there, I’m not aware of it. The below is purely about the WikiLeaks stuff.
Seconding the Snowden reaction sadly, except it was Julian Assange… I actually have a memory of that that makes me cringe incredibly hard. I was at a birthday party at a friend’s house and someone there was so drunk that they went full mask off and were openly sieg heiling and saying Nazi shit (really unpleasant 4chan loser type who my friends subsequently downplayed the actions of, but that’s another story)…
Anyway, I got into a number of political arguments with them and the topic of Assange came up and I said something along the lines of: “Why shouldn’t he be arrested? He’s a criminal.” The Nazi guy just looked so frustrated and said “aaaaargh, mainstream media!!!”
It was only a few years later that I realised, oh shit, he was right about that one. I was just parroting what the news was saying about Assange. I was so lib that I allowed a Nazi to have a more informed position than me. That’s a hard one to live down.
Watching the rat fucking of Bernie in real time followed by the pandemic response turned me into an ML that wonders if the Soviets shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin.
oh wow! me too!
My biggest and continued lib moment is still liking 1984 as a book
No actually, my biggest lib moment that I’m still very ashamed of was arguing with a black guy like 5 or 6 years ago that racism didn’t really exist in the UK anymore
I read and enjoyed 1984 at least 4 times
Forgive me for posting the same comment twice, but since I just was talking about 1984 in this thread, I’ll say here as well that I don’t think you should be ashamed for enjoying multiple reads of it. I harp on how bad the writing was, but honestly it was… passable. But more importantly, I would argue that that book really did capture some important concepts and feelings and fears that were floating around. It’s just that it was written by a hardcore liberal at heart who just had to fucking blame communism instead of taking the accurate path and blaming capitalism and imperialism. Anyway… what I just posted in another comment:
It’s not even that 1984 was a terrible book. It is rather poorly written by an author who was kinda a shit writer, but the dude did capture a certain important and lasting zeitgeist. He did identify an undercurrent of fear, a very valid fear, that permeated culture. The problem was that he misidentified the direction where the fear was coming from, the systems it was actually bubbling up from were the capitalist systems. But commies were both easy and profitable to make the enemies. The source was the society he actually knew better and mostly lived in, but he had witnessed other systems and wanted to project all the negativity onto the socialist systems that, again, benefited him to badmouth. His book could have been still a poorly written but interestingly prescient warning of capitalism, what it was what it was becoming (and what it is), and some of the extremes trends towards… That’s what could have been if he had correctly attributed the dystopian elements as being rooted in capitalism instead of communism. Also, even thought he may not have been a great writer in general, he was good with using phrases that fit well in the milieu at the time and continue to. Like “thought police” and “Doublethink” and “Newspeak” and “memory hole.” “Big Brother is watching.” “We’ve always been at war with East Oceania.” Bunch of others. There is a reason that shit stuck around, reason that goes beyond just the fact that the capitalists blew it up and made it popular, this otherwise mediocre book they held up for its usefulness in propaganda as some great bulwark against the terrors of communism. Really a tragedy that Orwell was a fucking rat-narc liberal coward.
im going to die on the hill that even though 1984 is anticommunist and the plot sort of meanders around the place, i still think on the level of the individual sentences its really well written and Orwell was very good at conveying the emotions he wanted too without ever getting too flowery with it like some writers do. I’m not going to hold up 1984 next to like dracula or anything but its a decently written book and i think hexbear posters have a sort of kneejerk reaction to overly shit on it because the worst possible people like it for all the wrong reasons.
Actually, I will die by your side on that hill, or at least put in a good effort before retreating. The main reason I was repeating how the writing was poor is because the book gets held up as like this literary masterpiece since it’s taught in schools and is on every single list of “books you must read before you die.” Of course the reason it’s taught in school is largely about propaganda, not literary genius, but the people who love it will talk about it like it’s barely a step down from Shakespeare, even though a lot of the writing is objectively cringe. Like I just read the hero’s opening description as having “ruggedly handsome features.” But I agree, it’s really good at what it does well. I think in most cases and in most spaces, it should be shit on and taken down a peg because it doesn’t deserve its common position as being this great masterpiece, but the other side of that coin is that it’s an entertaining and effective book, certainly not trash simply by virtue of how it gets used to serve a reactionary agenda.
I’ve read and enjoyed 1984 two or three times. I read Animal Farm, Down and Out in Paris and London, Homage to Catalonia (about half of it), Burmese Days, plus a book of his essays, his writing advice, etc. Orwell sucks but I agree with the other commenter here saying that there is just something about 1984. I don’t know. I took another look at Brave New World recently and thought that it was just eugenicist crap. I haven’t looked at 1984 in at least ten years so maybe my opinion would change if I did.
As a black person who went through a huge internalized racism arc, when I ventured into leftist spaces that said stuff like “Fuck white people.”, I got enraged and responded with something along the lines of "As a black person, that’s totally fucked up! This is the opposite of what MLK promoted!'.
I got laughed at and called a “bootlicker”, all while thinking I was some cool, grandiose, and righteous figure in this context.
Boy, do times change or what!?
i think you mentioned 4chan in another post and god it is so common to find POC trans people on 4chan that have whole ass settler colonies living in their heads. sometimes they reach out to me and even explaining basic trans positive stuff is mindblowing to them. 4chan needs to be fucking banned, its a hazard to all life
4chan needs to be fucking banned
How the fuck has it not happened already? Really feels like there has never actually been any attempt at all, not even an activist push or anything.
At this point, I just see 4chan as an incubation chamber for white nationalist stochastic terrorists. The feds aren’t going to shut down a crucial component of domestic Gladio. From reading Aberration in the Heartland of the Real, someone like Timothy McVeigh perfectly matches the profile of a channer from his involvement in BBS boards to him obsessing over Star Trek to him having incel views to him just being a reactionary in general. It’s truly remarkable how he’s just a proto-channer.
Fuck white people.
As a white (kinda), I still find it cringe. Could you elaborate why that’s not?
we answer this in our FAQ
That’s most informative, thanks. Still cringe tho
Aah yes. AS a White YOU find it cringe. The answer is its not about YOU.
tldr: We colonised and genocided much of the world, and most of the white people in the world now assume that we’re richer because we’re smarter, not richer because we stole everything. Throughout modern history, nearly all white progressives and leftists have taken the side of imperialism, because it benefits us materially. There’s a handful of based white people in history, but they’re few and far between.
long version: read Settlers
Edit: if a member of an oppressed group wants to say “fuck white people”, the very least I can do is acknowledge all the crimes heaped upon them by us, and not debate bro them about reverse racism or something.
TBH this sounds almost like internalized racism, but the other way around. We’re not our ancestors, but still we need to remember that we’re prone to their mistakes.
if a member of an oppressed group wants to say “fuck white people”, the very least I can do is acknowledge all the crimes heaped upon them by us, and not debate bro them about reverse racism or something.
Also this looks condescending
Even though I came from a working class family from the West, I still have a fuck of white privilege. Having to hear “fuck white ppl” like 2x a year barely comes close to what non-white people have faced.
TBH this sounds almost like internalized racism
DID COLONIALISM AND GENOCIDE NOT FUCKING HAPPEN?!?!?
Also this looks condescending
Honestly, how would you like it phrased??? Oh please sir, care more about Palestine than your ego.
DID COLONIALISM AND GENOCIDE NOT FUCKING HAPPEN?!?!?
It is happening right now, but somehow we focus on past events and some abstract guilt
some abstract guilt
Super cool of you to reframe current and historical oppression as “some abstract guilt”. I’m making a real effort to answer your question, but it’s like you’re making a bad faith effort to not engage with it but rather reframe everything to reaffirm your old beliefs.
No, the reason it’s relevant is because white people still benefit overwhelmingly from the colonization that still happens. In addition, racism towards white people isn’t possible in imperial core nations because they are overwhelmingly white supremacist. Bigotry can in specific cases happen against white people but racism requires the backing of culture at large, bigotry is individualized while racism is systematic.
If it’s happening right now it’s not a past event it’s an ongoing event still in progress.
Honestly, how would you like it phrased???
Same as if a white person would shout f*ck jews/muslims/whites: with an utter disrespect and disgust. If you allow them to be in that position, it’s still a result of colonialism and supremacy, but in a more profound form.
I don’t recall Jewish or Muslims committing pogroms and wars against us. What a weird response. This isn’t going well for you.
Same as if a white person would shout f*ck jews/muslims/whites:
If you really think that POC (historically oppressed, almost always by white people) calling someone a cracker or saying they hate white people, is exactly the same as a white person (oppressors of basically everybody else for centuries) yelling hate at the groups white people have oppressed, I don’t know how to help you. From a white person to a POC, it’s an expression of oppression, an echoing of the white supremacist values that the USA or UK are built on. Cops still do racial profiling.
From a POC to a white person, it’s them expressing their distaste for oblivious, historically ignorant clowns and racists. No white person’s life is gonna be in danger because someone who isn’t white said they hate em.
Do you see the difference?
I can see how these situations are different from the historical standpoint. I can see why PoC express angst and frustration to white people. Cannot praise it, since I fail to see how it leads to liberation, but ok.
I can see how these situations are different from systematic standpoint. The racial profiling you have mentioned, the economic inferiority of black US population, and, of course, hate groups.
But from the interpersonal relationships, I just can’t stand it. I am not ok with people around me who say “fuck white people”. It’s a pure cringe.
Like others said, stop buying into the idea that whiteness is more than a social construct. Idk start thinking of yourself in terms of nationality or ethnicity. That is if nothing else a good starting point for getting over any hangups
terms of nationality or ethnicity
Nope. I’m Russian
Russian to put out extremely bad takes
So Russian and Slav. Why not identify as those more than the arbitrary category of “white”. I have to live with being Italian, I’d kill to be Russian
don’t be white, white is a racist US census statistic
I agree with the sentiment – there’s no reason to be proud of being white – but I can’t believe “just don’t be white!” pops up on here semi-regularly. That’s just not an option for a lot of people, because you can’t dictate how others perceive you. It’s like telling someone who’s 6’6" to not be tall.
It’s still a skin colour, I just don’t regard it as a cultural entity, much less a “racial” one
Because it’s a disgusting antiquated caste identity with no real cultural content beyond domination and race hatred, so identifying with that nonsense is pretty cringe
Also you know, 500 years of white supremacist violence being constantly inflicted on practically every nation on the planet kinda sends a certain message
For like an entire semester after taking the intro microeconomics class at my university I definitely believed that abolishing the minimum wage would be good for everybody because something something the point on the curve I don’t even remember, it was dumb as hell. I remember explaining this theory to a girl I liked and she swung her purse at me lmfao
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tfw the Long-legged Socialist^tm won’t let me explain Basic Economics^tm
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casual racism against the roma, asians, africans, middle-easterners and slavs
i once said and i quote: “The only reason communism worked in China is because the people there are kinda like ants.”
i was thankfully never really against feminism or women’s rights and that helped me from falling into full blown chuddom, i bounced off the fascist pipeline once they started crying about “teh wimmenz”
A month or so before election night 2016 I told a coworker (who was 60+ years old) (I was mid 20’s): “however bad you think Hillary is, Dolan Turmp is so much worse” (this was after Bernie got fucked out of the nomination, I was a bernie guy). She just laughed. I guess having decades of experience gave her some insight that i couldn’t comprehend.
Before the end of 2013, I actually did think Obama was going to be “decent”. There was really no mention of any of his complicity in a list of war crimes that might even make the piss-drenched Ronald Reagan blush.
Then I moved back to South Africa due to circumstance right before the new year, where in the span of an hour after getting out of the airport, suddenly I was hit with the realization that"Obomba really is a slavemaster Zionist capitalist war criminal piece of shit, huh".
I did still have some lib takes (which eventually wore off some years later) like the criticisms levied against EFF and concerns over what they actually meant with regard to their alleged “anti-white” rhetoric. Despite this, I still voted for them in 2014 and 2019, in the latter part coming to terms that I tend to be in pretty close agreement with their positions (like severing relations and sanctioning Shitrael, supplying Hamas with South African weaponsystems, decommodification of land, nationalization of the mining and banking sectors), to name a few.
Also because people were coping at me for voting the EFF in 2014 and suggested that I voted the DA to replace the ANC. I basically responded with “well DA loves Obama and Israel so
”Marie Sukers should be arrested. Also Death to AmeriKKKa
How did you get that realization within an hour of leaving an airport?
There was a series of protests against Obama. Also figure of speech.
bruh i literally got a finance degree because i was working in a call centre that dealt with both the medical and financial sectors and thought “hey, maybe becoming a financial adviser to help people with their money and superannuation/pensions would help my local community” lmao
the fact that like one of the biggest cornerstones of my life is even dumber and more idealistic than the times i’ve tried to kill myself really speaks volumes
I talked someone out of voting for Bernie in 2016 in favor of Hilary
Supporting the Libyan revolt. In my defence, I knew Socialists in Libya who supported it. All gone now…
I uh… I used to think Mueller would save the country after Trump was elected lmao.
This was after I saw Bernie get rat fucked.
I believed in all the free market bullshit, thought that the problems in my country are because we are not as developed a society as the west and that we need to do more things like them, believed that austerity measures were a necessary evil because “le economy” naturally requires harder times when it’s not going well.
The real problems are a combination of many things, some of which are heavy imperialist exploitation of my country, uneven growth of capitalism, monopolies taking over local production, and the usual good old capitalism that is true for every capitalist regime.
