I don’t know how people’s hearts aren’t filled with hatred

  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    10·
    1 year ago

    The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

    There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

      • KurtVonnegut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        Partially because in the 1950s the American government focused hard on separating religion and socialism. They did not want a “liberation theology” spreading in the United States. So they heavily labeled the USSR as “godless” and then slowly but surely boosted the right-wing of evangelical churches, culminating in Reagan/Bush, the rise of the “religious right,” and abortion being used as a wedge issue.

          • KurtVonnegut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Because the central metaphor of that passage is a religious one. It hearkens back to the “Battle Hymn of the Republic”

            Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord; He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:

            Which itself is adapted from “John Brown’s Body.” If you know anything about John Brown, he was a very religious man, and one of the main ways he got people to follow him on his anti-slavery crusade was by appealing to religion. In fact, as the Civil War went on, even the usually secular Abraham Lincoln began including more religious language into his speeches. This was partly to help calm the nation down due to the immense deaths during the Civil War. But it was also because John Brown’s rhetoric was very effective. There were a lot of people in the north who actually did not want slavery to end (like McClellan and his moderate faction), because it materially benefitted him. There was actually very little material benefit to abolition for Lincoln directly or really most abolitionists. Abolition was an ideological project, and one which could not have been accomplished in the mid-1800s without using Christianity as a justification. In fact, Harriet Beecher Stowe’s brother was the most famous preacher in America during the Civil War, and he constantly preached propaganda against the south and slavery which many people in the north agreed with, again, not because it materially benefitted them, but because they agreed that slavery was immoral from a religious standpoint.

            One of the primary sources that Martin Luther King learned rhetoric from was the Bible. He was a reverend, and he sharpened his public speaking skills through the church. America has a long, long history of progressive rhetoric intertwining with religious themes. In fact it Steinbeck was using an appeal to religion in the passage you said you liked, even though you might not have noticed. So yeah, maybe there is a reason that the Bible is literally the best-selling, most widely read book in the history of humanity. Maybe it has some good rhetoric in it! And maybe people on the left can learn a little bit about how to capture people’s attention and empathy by learning from its prose.

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]@hexbear.net
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      1·
      1 year ago

      This is true, but I can see the reason to hesitate. If you don’t know how to steal without being caught, learning when your kid would be put in danger by you fucking up is not optimum.

  • Greenleaf [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    This is the reality that American media obfuscates. Movies, TV, the news… they all depict the “default” American as basically doing fine financially. Everyone is “middle class” at worst. Everyone has a decently large house, a newer car (usually a SUV) for every adult, goes on vacations, eats out, and is generally free from material precariousness. And for the middle class in America, this is more or less reality.

    This appearance of the “default” middle class American is so pervasive that everyone, including the working class, believes it.

    The issue is, this middle class American is NOT the “default”. Most Americans have less than $1,000 saved and are ruined by just one severe economic shock like losing employment. The family depicted here is far closer to being the median American than what you see in media. It may not seem like a big deal but I honestly believe this is one of the most effective weapons in preventing class consciousness that is out there.

      • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        20%-30% of Americans are trans,

        sicko-wistful

        These insane figures I guess are what lead people into “great replacement” type right wing conspiracy stuff… or maybe the conspiracies lead into these insane figures…

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]@hexbear.net
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        1·
        1 year ago

        some of that is media overrepresenation, but I also think some of it is that you don’t notice when things are normal/what you’d expect. Like, it would be weird to walk into a cracker barrel and think “lotta white people here.” Might as well walk into a gas station and be shocked by the cigarettes.

    • ashinadash [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      I noticed pretty quick how this type of shit doesn’t scan, even as a kid. Everyone I’ve ever known basically lives in apartments, is in permanent debt on a shitty car, has no savings & not a lot of if any vacation time, and usually has to scrounge money to get a pet spayed or whatever. The American media portrayal has always been so out-of-touch that it was bizarre to me.

      Coincidentally my ex was a military brat and she actually DID live in the spacious house with the SUV for each adult and tons of vacation time/eating out. It was like peeking into a fantasy land, weird. Coincidentally she was insufferable

      • redsteel@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I grew up with two kids (among others) who had similar material circumstances. Each lived and raised in a full-size, four-bedroom house in excellent repair, both parents earned well above poverty level incomes. One car per parent replaced with a new one about every 5 years, and a hand-me-down given to each of the kids when they got their driving licenses.

        They had privacy, peace and quiet, never wanted for food, enjoyed weekly dining out with the entire family, had regular gatherings with more distant family (who also enjoyed similar material conditions), multiple yearly vacations, virtually anything else that related to comfort and ease of mind. Both of these kids grew up into borderline sociopaths with self-admitted libertarian ideologies.

  • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
    4·
    1 year ago

    (In case anyone misinterprets, I’m not dunking on the parents or family in the OP. It’s just insane that the US exploits so much and it doesn’t even rewards its people)

  • CarbonScored [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    And it’s great that they got food, mutual aid rocks, but how long will that charity last?

    How many months, weeks, or just days before that young child is back to starving because the landlord needs more rent this year?

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    1 year ago

    I would like to watch that Will Stancil lib have a 30 minute conversation with the reddit poster and try to explain how the economy is good, actually. But then again, despite being a Redditor, the poster clearly has enough bullshit to deal with and doesn’t deserve a smug lib lecture.