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Damn Google maps updated fast. 70% of Guyana is now in Venezuela with the dashed line.
Also now Jonestown is in Venezuela…
checking this has made me realize that the new map of Venezuela looks like an elephant
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That’s Guinea.
No, that’s an island in SE Asia?
You’re thinking of New Guinea.
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Guinea, which borders Guinea-Bissau, but not Equatorial Guinea.
Jesus, I didn’t realise the area he was claiming was like half of Guyana. There’s no way this war goes well for Venezuela. It’s inviting foreign invasion in order to try and hold hostile jungle in a new era of cheap drone warfare.
This seems to be incredibly stupid.
Guess it’s time to pull this one out: Slava Guyani
maduro bro this is fucking cringe
the only way this is a good idea is if it’s a fucking troll designed to redirect weapons and aid being supplied to isntreal by forcing the US to pivot incredibly quickly, and then rescinds this claim and fully stands down in like 3 days when the US ships are pulling into the south carribbean
Look I just want Venezuela to look like an elephant wearing a hat
Holy shit everyone are we really going to do this again?
“The USA is bad but Vietnam clearly attacked first in the Gulf of Tonkin.”
“Afghanistan housed the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11 so it’s okay if the USA commits mass murder there for twenty years.”
“The USA isn’t perfect but Saddam was a bad guy…”
“I don’t know anything about Syria but that Bashar Assad guy gunned down all those protesters…”
“Ukraine might not be perfect but we need to support them against [extremely vaguely defined] Russian imperialism.”
“Hamas hates gay people so it’s okay if Israel exterminates millions of Palestinians.”
“Guyana, a country which I did not know to exist yesterday, is extremely important in the fight against Venezuelan imperialism, which I have never mentioned until now.”
The reality is: if the corporate media says a country is bad, all that means is that country isn’t doing what the US ruling class wants. Venezuela deserves our support in its fight against imperialism.
This US isn’t involved in this conflict yet and I’d oppose their direct participation
Guyana, a country which I did not know to exist yesterday, is extremely important in the fight against Venezuelan imperialism, which I have never mentioned until now.”
I have not called what Venezuela is doing imperialism, I just think war is bad and should be avoided and nobody has made a good case to me yet why Venezuela absolutely MUST do this. Russia had far more justification for entering Donbas from where I’m sitting.
The land belongs to Venezuela but is claimed by Guyana, a US puppet state. It’s the same story every single time. Guyana was also doing oil exploration in this territory over protests from Venezuela. Since the corporate media is barely talking about this as far as I can tell, it looks like the US is already overextended in Ukraine and Israel and won’t be able to respond, which is probably another reason why Venezuela decided to go for it.
Nooo the british drawn country lines are sacred!! Its imperialism to not respect those!
perfect lib impression. They love calling anything a state does imperialism, except actual imperialism
Not justifying anything or asserting that Venezuela is based for this, just saying maybe it’s important to consider these as motivating factors:
- In September 2020, in a joint statement with the US sec. of state and former head of the CIA Mike Pompeo, Ali said the two countries would begin joint maritime patrols aimed at drug interdiction near Guyana’s disputed border with sanction-stricken Venezuela.
- The agreement came as US oil major Exxon Mobil Corp, as part of a consortium with Hess Corp, ramped up crude output from Guyana’s massive offshore Stabroek Block, a large portion of which is in waters claimed by Venezuela.
If Guyana’s bourgeoisie are US-backed and extracting natural resources claimed by Venezuela as part of their territorial, why wouldn’t this escalate into a full blown conflict? This reminds me of how Kuwait was slant drilling under the Iraqi border in the leadup to the Gulf War. Too often I see people taking the “parental” logic, and saying “I don’t care who started it!” like it’s two siblings fighting over a toy. Well, I think, as with so many other conflicts, these are ripple effects of US imperialism deliberately sowing chaos and dividing regions against themselves for its own benefit. This isn’t to say bourgeois nationalism is based when it’s BRICS, nor is it to say that the difference between “comprador” and “national” bourgeoisie overrides the difference between bourgeoisie and proletariat, just saying we should come up with a systems-based materialist explanation for why this is happening, just like we did with Ukraine and Taiwan, instead of buying into the simplified demonization narrative of a US enemy.
No I think Venezuela has reasons to be angry but this situation, I just think them getting embroiled in a hot war over it seems like a bad idea for both them and the people of Guyana. Fuck Exxon but I don’t think ignighting a revanchist conflict is really going to combat US imperialism in the region, if anything it’s a boon for them.
The alternative to doing something about it is just to sit there and have reasons to be angry but nevertheless allow a US-backed corporation take the oil, which they will then use later on in their own war machines when they decide it’s time to invade venezuela. Which means giving Amerikkka leverage for its future atrocities in order to have a moral high ground in the present. Amerikkka is never going to take the moral high ground and not meddle in a region. Kuwait slant drilled into Iraq before desert storm. People imply the embattled underdogs are obligated to performatively adhere to whatever morally palatable option has the best optics, while the overdog is assumed to always behave ruthless sociopath who will take advantage of any mercy it is given. It’s not like Venezuela is going to get good boy points for not doing anything. Amerikkka would still have screeched to the high heavens that Venezuela is an authoritarian regime even if they did nothing about this. Because that’s what the US has been doing since Hugo Chavez.
I think the US is opening too many proxy wars at once and can’t afford to juggle them all. Guyana, Taiwan, Ukraine, Israel. How many client regimes can the US juggle at once? If they fight back instead of just letting it happen, America might actually drop the ball. Its imperial positions can be lost by overextending itself and receiving more resistance than it reckoned it would. That’s part of the reason for centering the anti-imperialist conversation on morality and not strategy. Because if the underdog adheres to a moral code that the overdog has no intention of obeying, then the overdog can always corner the underdog into a losing strategy, by taking advantage of the fact that the underdog’s options are limited and more predictable due to its moral code.
I still don’t see this ending well but perhaps I’m wrong.
At the end of the day I’m just some asshole on the internet so it’s not like I have any power to influence any player’s decision here.
I still don’t see this ending well but perhaps I’m wrong.
Neither do I. I’m just not going to not act surprised when people are so fed up with the US’s shit that they start behaving atrociously to make it stop.
At the end of the day I’m just some asshole on the internet so it’s not like I have any power to influence any player’s decision here.
Agreed. (not that you’re an asshole, but that we don’t have power here)
not that you’re an asshole
Half the people in this thread seem to think I am.
i just respond directly to what people say almost never look at usernames unless I suspect trolling
I’m honestly mostly just frustrated with this situation. I’m unhappy it’s happening, maybe it’s necessary, but still sucks.
love this new metric of election credibility, it’s not real if you don’t have 3 hours lines
no, the united states is just extremely bad at democracy on purpose
Why dude
Welp looks like Venezuela is about to get some freedom and democracy
Maduro has to be a jobber
Homie can you not instead
It’s strange, my country’s media hasn’t mentioned this at all.
From my POV this means he was getting slapped up in either public or private polls. Even if he manages to take the land, they now have a not insignificant amount of very pissed off Guyanese people and probably the Thanos gaunlet of every sanction imaginable and idk if they have the same abillity as the RF to just launder everything through the UAE. I’m sure the people currently living there would love being under infinity sanctions out of nowhere, maybe they have settlers ready to take over, but who knows.
