ceasefire
begin talks with the other Palestinian government that isnt Hamas
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would the realistic solution be?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore Hamas either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.
Well, this claim has been made by Israel, too, as if to say the tunnels are all underneath hospitals. But they showed a quickly made 3D rendering, not proof.
Yeah its well known by everyone that they hide where they have human shields, this doesn’t make it ok to just ignore the civilians but it explains the high casualtys to a certain extent…
This is actually allowed under the Geneva convention – but I don’t like it. similar how I despise how Israel settlers are occupying the west bank part by part.
Nevertheless, the main problem is Hamas. And only if the Palestinians are able to kick out Hamas (or allow Israel to do it), there will be no peace. Similar how no peace will be achieved with Nethanjahu.
Yeah i don’t like how Israel deals with it as well, but i also don’t see another option, Palestinians kicking Hamas out won’t happen and Hamas has already proven they make people stay with force.
And the settler thing is also not exactly a good thing.
So if someone attacks you and threatens to eradicate everyone in your country and has their rocket launchers on top of hospitals, hides their fighter in refugee camps, and has their operation offices under schools, what do you do:
Nothing
Tell all civilians to leave and bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
The main problem is Hamas using Palestinians as shields. There is almost 0 uproar against Hamas in here. But its their fault Palestinians are dying.
TBH: Hamas knows that bombing a school doesn’t look good. Thats why they build their operation centers under schools.
If the only solution I could think of to a problem was to bomb a school I would simply ask someone else to come up with better ideas.
This is a shit-tier excuse for bombing schools, regardless.
Yeah their take seems to ignore the fact that there’s other options than just drop a bomb on the school
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would the realistic solution be?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore Hamas either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
The PLO wanted to remove Israel from existence for most of the time it was in power, it’s not like they were saints either.
I never said they were saints?
But you very strongly implied it, stating the PLO is palatable.
I said they were secular? They are more palatable then Hamas in the wests eyes. I don’t think that is controversial even.
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.
Well, this claim has been made by Israel, too, as if to say the tunnels are all underneath hospitals. But they showed a quickly made 3D rendering, not proof.
We know this. Palestine was full of journalists. There are countless proofs of this tactic.
Totally kill a bunch of civilians including kids with bombs then! Totally fair.
Yeah its well known by everyone that they hide where they have human shields, this doesn’t make it ok to just ignore the civilians but it explains the high casualtys to a certain extent…
This is actually allowed under the Geneva convention – but I don’t like it. similar how I despise how Israel settlers are occupying the west bank part by part.
Nevertheless, the main problem is Hamas. And only if the Palestinians are able to kick out Hamas (or allow Israel to do it), there will be no peace. Similar how no peace will be achieved with Nethanjahu.
Yeah i don’t like how Israel deals with it as well, but i also don’t see another option, Palestinians kicking Hamas out won’t happen and Hamas has already proven they make people stay with force.
And the settler thing is also not exactly a good thing.
True but two wronges don’t make a right. It is still wrong to bomb that school
So if someone attacks you and threatens to eradicate everyone in your country and has their rocket launchers on top of hospitals, hides their fighter in refugee camps, and has their operation offices under schools, what do you do:
Nothing
Tell all civilians to leave and bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
The main problem is Hamas using Palestinians as shields. There is almost 0 uproar against Hamas in here. But its their fault Palestinians are dying.