• Steve@startrek.website
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        You may not realize this, but the twitter money still exists. The former owners of twitter have it under their mattress right now, why don’t they build a supercollider?

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          I agree, those dicks definitely could be doing better with their money and we should take it away from them for societally useful things.

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        I mean we all know this, but if he wants his “brand” to be “Mr. Nerd Shit” why tf does he miss such obvious Ws?

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        Dude literally owns a boring company, he could have ate the cost of digging the tunnel to specifications and still have more money than buying xitter

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      First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?

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    Budget: Military Complex > CERN

    Long term value to citizens: CERN > Miltary Complex

    All historical CERN expenses combined are a tiny fraction of the yearly expenses of the combined EU miltary

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      US Congress: Audit NASA > Audit the Pentagon

      EU: Audit CERN > Audit Luxemborg/Malta/UK

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        If you ask the scientists in my local Facebook group, it could kill all of them. That is, the ones not already killed by vaccines and 5G.

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    Remember when people were worried about these killing us all by creating a black hole that swallows the Earth?

    Can this one just hurry up and do that please?

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    I’d rather spend 22 billion on this than in Israel or more weapons of war

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        Hyperloop was known high schooler nonsense from the start, at least this will get something back, whatever it is.

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    i hope someday we construct a collider that spans the entire circumference of the earth. But we’d probably have to build one that spans the circumference of the moon first, and then maybe mars, since the oceans are going to be a bit of a doozie to work around that we don’t have the technology for, whereas the interior of a collider is supposed to be evacuated, so, the moon almost kinda already handles that for us. heat might be an issue of course, but if we can figure out thermal radiator panels that can dump the heat straight into space, maybe we could pull it off…

    mars would address the heat issues, but those dust storms are no joke and the dust itself is microscopic toxic/caustic razors and it’ll try to get in everywhere and ruin fine instruments it touches. Moon dust is also really bad but there’s no wind to kick it up on the moon obviously…

    but damn. DAMN. imagine the fucking science we could get done with a LUNAR-SCALE PARTICLE COLLIDER!!!

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      Now I’m imagining placing a ring of gigantic dyson-sphere powered magnets in an intergalactic void to create the final and ultimate supercollider, the size of a galactic supercluster

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        that would legitimately be so fucking cool, but I think at those scales we’re actually encroaching on things that truly are physically impossible. If it takes light entire geological eras to move through such a system, any hope of maintaining physical integrity throughout its length is … exceedingly unlikely. Like, at ranges THAT vast, pretty sure the expansion of spacetime itself would rip it open…

        … but i’m still enjoying imagining it :3

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          Does it actually have to maintain physical integrity as a single structure? If it’s not got a vacuum chamber due to relying on the ambient vacuum, then each section of magnets need not physically touch, so the individual components need only use some of the energy from their power source to actively steer themselves into formation rather than rely on material strength to hold together.

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            I would expect so on the basis of precision. At scales that large, space itself becomes an unreliable medium…

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      The Moon’s daytime is half a month long and can reach 120 C so we’d need some pretty powerful heat shielding. And there’s no ozone layer to protect the electronics from radiation, and I’m pretty sure the Moon orbits outside of Earth’s magnetosphere. And the shielding used for such a project could also be used to fix climate change here (and terraform Venus later) with orbital parasols. And whatever unimaginable technology we’d need for such an ambitious project may as well be used to run a grid of electromagnets and power lines across Mars to give it a magnetic field

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        Most proposals for moon colonies are either built underground or covered up with a thick layer of regolith for both of the reasons you mentioned. It’s very likely a collider would also be built underground for the same reasons. Digging a many-miles-long tunnel on the moon with the awful properties of moon regolith to deal with would have its own set of challenges though.

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          Yeah. I hear NASA and India are planning to send 3d-printer robots to lava caves to seal them off, cover/get rid of all moon dust and build permanent bases there (but as of now the priority seems to be researching the polar water-ice and using moon rocks to study what the early solar system’s geology was like)

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        Even underground there is tons of issues. One for example is that the ground is having tides.

        As the moon passes above is the ground is moving by several cm so it has to be compensated by the collider.

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    Imagine if only 1/10 of all countries GDP went to scientists and the patent bullshit didn’t exist ? We’d be mining asteroids and sipping coffee on Mars.

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        I like to analyze art ( usually alone and in my mind ) so bear with me. His art is Very interesting but it’s always big robot/drone/ megalithique structures in an open field. While I can totally imagine a big robotic mascots rotting away for months after a malfunction, his work more akin to the 50s view of what the future would be but with modern lenses/tech than a plausible future . In the steel vs digital war, the digital won and his work doesn’t show any of it.

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      But look how fast we can make those little fuckers go!

      It’s just like slot car racing, round and round, but… you know… faster. And yeah, it’s more expensive than a regular slot car track, I guess. But still, those particles will beat any slot car you care to pick! So there’s that. Welllll not those fancy slot cars with them high performance motors, I mean, that’s a completely different ballgame there, we can’t compete with that.

      But still, those particles whizzing around, it’s gonna be pretty cool. I reckon we should do it.

      So anyway, thank you for reading my financial proposal for the SuperLHC.

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      Yeah everything’s been kinda fucked ever since, hasn’t it… i mean… it was 2008 right before obama being elected and i really don’t think the “correct” path of the future would have involved r-money or mccain winning so at least SOME shit would be the same, but still…

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        LHC didn’t start seriously smashing shit (beyond previous energies done by other colliders) until after 2010 though. I think everything went tits up about 2012, tbh - the year they found the Higgs Boson. I kind-of jokingly subscribe to the idea that the world ended. I mean, it just checks so many boxes to me, it truly seems that the universe as it stands right now is fundamentally different than it should be after the passing of one single decade.

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          okay i can DEFINITELY agree with you about 2012, shit’s been super fucking weird since SPECIFICALLY that year.

          the worst day of my life was December 22nd 2012 and I remember it very clearly because I couldn’t figure out WHY.

          I just felt awful to a degree i have NEVER felt before or ever again since. Not even once. Not even a little.

          It was a distinct watershed moment that divided my entire life into “before” and “after”.
          I figured it was just some freak hormonal imbalance that walloped me out of nowhere but it’s weird that that was the only time and that it coincided with such a distinct … difference in how the world was between ‘before that’ and ‘after that’.

          now, the higgs boson event was on a different date, certainly, but that day… i will never be able to forget it.

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    The transmutation circle is massive this time. We can’t fail the French-Swiss genocide.

    (Btw I’ve worked on the Atlas project on the LHC, projects are always delayed)