• GenderIsOpSec [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    the red army was the ONLY army in WW2 that punished soldiers who did this. Usually by a bullet to the head by the nearest political officer.

    i think the amerikkkans hanged some black soldiers, but that might’ve been during WW1 and they were basically just lynchings

    https://journals.openedition.org/rccsar/476 this is an interesting article about the way nato basically spun all the SA the red army did into the standard anti-communist points of: “hordes of asiatics doing horrible crimes constantly”

    in the end though, show me an army that doesnt r#pe and i’ll show you the unit manual for Starcraft 2, sadly

    • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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      ONLY army in WW2 that punished soldiers who did this

      we can avoid making an obviously false statement just to emphasize that the soviet military had policies against it.

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    To add to what others are saying, claiming that the enemy army is training their soldiers to use r*pe I think entered the zeitgeist as an accusation against Gaddafi - meanwhile the only people that I’m aware of provably using that intentionally as a terror tactic are South American fascists.

    • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      IIRC it gets deployed against every ontologically evil designated enemy. I know it was deployed against Iraqis during the first Gulf War, with Hillary Clinton claiming Saddam was issuing his troops with Viagra specifically so they could [redacted] more. This is me misremembering, see replies.

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        Hillary Clinton claiming Saddam was issuing his troops with Viagra specifically so they could [redacted] more

        Wasn’t that Gaddafi? The timeline doesn’t match, since Viagra wasn’t even on the market until the late 90s (hard to forget the time hack Viagra jokes were suddenly everywhere). Also, why would Hillary have said anything? H.W. Bush was president then.

  • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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    Red Army did this no more than the Western allies did correct?

    absolute or per capita? there’s no honest comparative assessments to my knowledge, and lingering perceptions of soviet violence on civilians is permanently tainted by late-war nazi propaganda.

    but talking absolutely, if the american GI and soviet soldier had an identical propensity for abuse, more would’ve been done on the eastern front, with so many more soviet soldiers deployed on a wider front occupying more territory. and i’m not sure we should think the occurrence of war crimes was identical, the motives of reprisal & revenge didn’t exist as strongly for people from new england than soldiers that might’ve been from regions that suffered massacres and sexual violence for years under axis occupation. it’s ugly to think about but i really wouldn’t be surprised if soviet soldiers were crime-ing at a bit higher rate for that reason. i read an account that directly tied an incidence of violence (that was punished with execution) with a leave to their liberated home village & hearing about the atrocities that occurred there.

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    Espresso Stalinist has their flaws, but they hosted an interesting write-up about it https://espressostalinist.com/2014/08/24/the-doctors-plot/

    Riumin’s actions seem really suspect throughout the events

    edit: oh and here is Bill Bland’s book on the topic. https://www.marxists.org/archive/bland/1991/10/doctors-case-death-stalin.pdf

    I will say the “rootless cosmopolitanism” campaign is pretty tropey and gross

  • I want to piggy-back off this, since I got in a wiki-hole last night that found me reading about the Doctor’s Plot. Along with Jewish artists being killed, post war Stalin, wiki would have me think, was a truly virulent anti-semite.

    Anyone have more info about this that isn’t tainted by anti-communist wiki-editors? What actually happened any why? I’m not here to have Stalin’s saintly image upheld and the only thing he did wrong was stop at Berlin, but I’m hoping to have a better understanding of this period.

    Maybe more importantly, I understand that when people, myself included, defend the USSR, we’re not defending it wholesale and uncritically, though against western lies it can seem so, but try to come from a place of understanding the conditions that brought about the decisions that were made, and that in our own post-revolution experience, we wouldn’t simply do exactly as the Soviets did, because our own conditions will be drastically different.

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      From https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm :

      Anti-Semitism

      January 12, 1931

      Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States

      In answer to your inquiry :

      National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

      Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

      In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

      J. Stalin January 12, 1931

      First published in the newspaper Pravda, No. 329, November 30, 1936

    • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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      My friend who brought me to the ML side of things (i still technically call myself a Luxembourgist but whatever, I’m effectively an ML at this point) told me that the thing with the Doctor’s plot is that it was genuinly kind of a legitimate bad on Stalin’s part, but it wasn’t motivated by genuine antisemitism, just old man paranoia. But idk thats a sourceless claim from a third party I bet someone else will come along with something better.