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i’ll start: most “vote blue no matter who” liberals are actually good people (not including terminally online liberals as anyone who is terminally online is a bad person)

  • Apolonio [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    I’m not vegan. The arguments about reduced environmental impact are something I can get behind of, but I’m specist and really dont value animal suffering the same as human suffering.

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      1 year ago

      Most vegans don’t value animals over humans either. If they had to choose which one to save from the train tracks, it’s barely a question. There’s not a ton of situations where stopping animal suffering leads to greater human suffering is all.

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        1 year ago

        I guess they wouldn’t but from my understanding the point was to not consider human lives as fundamentally more important, was it not? Hence the term specist.

        But yeah, maybe my view is ill imformed.

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          There’s always going to be some level of preferring to help your own species over others. It’s more about dismantling the idea that humans are superior and therefore should be able to do whatever they want. “Dominion over the Earth” stuff. It’s more extending moral considerations to animals that you already do to humans. That they deserve food, shelter, happiness, and to not be exploited (specifically by us). If there were aliens or something who treated us like we do animals because they considered themselves supreme intelligent beings, we’d have a greater capacity to understand what’s happening, but it’d still be pretty close to the hellish condition we subject animals to right now and we definitely wouldn’t be okay with it.