“It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views,” Jean-Pierre said. “There is no ‘yes or no’ answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we’re going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.”
“Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this,” New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. “It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It’s a disgrace.”
“Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare,” Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. “He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia.”
The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ 
“A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that” Fuck off out of here with that “centrist” nonsense. There’s nothing complicated about it, and it’s not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people’s emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they’d start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it’s as good a time as ever.
But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that.
You don’t have to though.
In fact there should be no respect for the views of bigots
It’s not complicated. The Biden administration wants the support of both those who see trans people as deserving the same rights as cis people and those who would like to see trans people excluded from society.
What is complicated is that the Biden administration wants the support not of me or you if we fall into one of those groups, but the support of both the national and regional bourgeoisie who do so.
The issue of whether or not Joe Biden should be beaten to death with a rusty shovel is ‘complicated’
There is no ‘yes or no’ answer to this, it is complicated - maybe he should just be shot, or have an anvil dropped on his head instead
Personally I advocate he be thrown in the
When we get that emoji?
yesterday
Dunno, whyesseff has been going sicko mode and adding tons the last little bit.
no more half measures walter
Oh nice this is on /all/ now. I’d just like to say that anyone that supports democrats after this deserves to be hit by a truck. That is all.
Eat shit, I genuinely hope physical harm comes to you.
On a tangential note, arm lgbt people.
some lemm.ee lib reported this for “advocating violence” lol. theres a couple references to accidental physical harm and self defense, but no advocacy for illicit, intentional violence!
The violence being perpetrated against trans people by liberals happened first. I have dead friends because of these fucks.
Fighting back is self defence. They advocated for institutional violence first. What do you think rules and laws are when they’re targeted against the marginalised? If any of us break them do you think the system asks us nicely not to? No. It commits violence. That’s not even considering the amount of trans people that actively kill themselves over the day to day hellscape liberals have created for the marginalised, but most particularly for trans people.
Eat shit libs. All you care about is brunch and treats while everyone beneath you gets fucking crushed.
@JudahBenHur@lemm.ee think about this ^ before making dumb reports
sorry, I was thinking about brunch and was distracted. I should probably eat shit and have physical violence done to me. keep fighting the good fight out there
I’m glad that you’re completely unaffected by this and don’t give a shit but for those of us that are affected you need to realise almost all of us have dead friends (plural, for some of us it’s dozens) over transphobic policy making and we absolutely regard you as responsible for those deaths. Maybe this will put into some perspective why seeing you physically feel what we feel might crack something in you that lets you feel a little bit of fucking empathy.
Did any of this go through your mind before you decided to barrel in here and utterly disregard the obvious nature of trans people hurting? Nah. You didn’t give a fuck because you’re a transphobic bag of shit without emotions.
Every single person that supports anything killing the people I love absolutely deserves physical harm and to be tossed out of any future socialist country. If I had my way I’d make a ridiculous spectacle of it. You’d be loaded into giant overpowered novelty circus cannons and launched into the sea where you can figure out where you want to swim, not my problem.
Eat shit. This is not a joke, this is not a game, people die over this shit. This is the real world and you’re talking to the real people affected by it communicating their emotions in the absolutely raw way they deserve to be communicated. Have some fucking respect and stop being an animal.
In a better world, the right-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person an assault rifle. The centrist position is to give every LGBT+ person a bazooka. The left-wing position is to give every LGBT+ person a railgun. The communist position is to give every LGBT+ person a heavily-armed 30 foot tall mech.
I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls’ sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.
All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it’s just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I’ve seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there’s a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?
Death to America
I’ve seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.
Can I get a source on that? Can’t find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more
Found a summary of a 2015 John Hopkins study.
Estimates vary widely but it is believed that between 3,000 and 9,000 Americans undergo sex reassignment surgery each year. Transition medical care can include hormone replacement therapy, mastectomy, plastic surgery, psychotherapy and more.
It doesn’t seem like there’s a good central source on numbers like this. John Hopkins is a respected medical institution and even they’re saying “estimates vary widely” and “It’s believed.” I think part of it is this isn’t recorded in census data and perhaps most trans people who get HRT or GRS are kinda private about it? No idea, but it’s still so absurd to me that reactionaries have decided trans people are their mortal enemy now. Trans people are incredibly rare and they’re much poorer and more vulnerable than cis people.
That’s srs which only like 1-2 percent of trans people get/are able to get
Maybe 1-2% of Amerikan trans people, where you have to pay out of pocket for a surgery that somehow costs four times as much as you’d pay in Europe.
Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.
Imagine all the hours spent. Utah has 104 legislators between their house and senate. If the bill was discussed on the floor for 10 minutes in each chamber, that’s 17 hours of human effort wasted. Now add in hours of deliberation in committee. Hours put in by staffers, by experts, by consultants, by lobbyists. That’s hundreds, if not over a thousand, hours spent on a ruining a JV sport for a single trans girl. What a ridiculous and disgusting waste.
“A lot of people think.” , says Biden admin after kidnapping hundreds of kids, sending them to work factory farms
Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can’t even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.
Now the strongest, political position from the “left” is “it’s complicated.” So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on “Trans people should participate in the things cis people do.” So it’s not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn’t matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.
This is why it’s so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That’s not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn’t stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don’t understand what’s at stake here.
I’m one of those people from other instances stopping by that hasn’t thought a lot about this issue.
It’s a shame that US politics seems to be so boolean. As in, the only acceptable position for a political party is the polar opposite of their opposition.
What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?
What if an issue is genuinely complicated and cannot be resolved by a three word statement of position? Can there be no discussion around that?
That’s fine if it’s an issue that is worthy of debate.
We’re talking here specifically about the rights and survival of human beings, and in that kind of case, no. There is no room for debate. There is no complexity. You either support people’s right to live, or you don’t. There fundamentally cannot be a grey area here; any response that includes the words “yes, but” automatically cedes ground to fascists.
Libs get the wall too.
Who the fuck cares about school sports?
There haven’t been many studies for the impacts at the highest levels of competition (Olympic, World Cup, etc.)… For professional sports I’m OK with taking a more conservative approach, but who the fuck cares about school sports? There’s so much genetic and age and socioeconomic variance that it literally doesn’t matter.
Kids can be up to a year older than their classmates due to the way kindergarten start date cutoffs work. These kids who arbitrarily end up older tend to outperform their peers, because a 7.9 year old is stronger and faster than a 7 year old. This is a real difference - the NHL did a study on this and found that their players disproportionately have early-year birthdays due to how this effect lines up with hockey camps.
Do you care? Of course not, nobody cares about the competitive fairness of kids’ sports, the point is just to get them to exercise and have a hobby. We can verify that nobody takes this seriously by looking at high school sports, where suddenly a four year age gap is acceptable.
Okay, so why does this suddenly matter when it’s what team a trans kid should be on?
Wow! I love having my continued existence being labelled “complicated” by people in high elected offices.
Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.
What if we need to ban all Amerikans until we know what the fuck is wrong with sports?
This also works
I unironically think blanket bans on sport might be interesting, mostly because I want to see how
types might react to seeing something so fundamental to their lives and character yanked out from beneath their feet. Chicago vs. NY? Philidelphia vs. LA? Spain vs. UK? Brazil vs. Poland? Go get a life, dog
Can we get that one trans liberal who was constantly saying shit about how great the democrats are for our trans rights?
I thought of them immediately when i saw this lol!
I don’t think the civil rights stronghold of checks notes Democrat Massachusetts is going to last for very long
No but its a trans mecca for transitioning tankie
In
speak calling something “complicated” is just an excuse to take the reactionary positiondo not cede ground to the right. for god’s sakes, do not cede ground to the right.
