cross-posted from: https://lemmy.basedcount.com/post/113726
I couldn’t find any tools to check this, so I built one myself.
This is a little site I built: the Defederation Investigator defed.xyz. With it, you can get a comprehensive view of which instances have blocked yours, as well as which ones you are federated with.
The tool is open source and available on GitHub. Hopefully someone will find it useful, enjoy.
You should probably cache results so users aren’tspamming other instances
Man… beehaw fucking sucks
Why?
Its an echochamber that defederated whit most instances, and they very good at getkeeping since if you try to sign up in there they ask you for an esay to sign up like if they where hot shit and theres a 30% chance they acctually let you in, and the moderation in there is pretty ban heavy and the admins are pretty much reddit mods that love to keep their echochambers closed. So thats why.
OK. So? It’s their instance, their rules. I don’t get it. You don’t like it, go to a different instance and live your life.
Sure but that doesn’t mean we can’t criticize these instances for their stupid decisions.
Why? It’s like criticizing what someone does in their own house.
And? Say they throw all their recyclables in the garbage or in their yard. Should I not criticize someone for that?
Or maybe they have a rape dungeon in their basement.
Those things affect other non consenting people. If someone voluntarily joins an instance with mod policies you dislike a) it’s their choice b) they are free to leave whenever and move to a different instance
Username checks out.
Otherwise thats what im doing, and i just complain about it cuz i can and dont agree with their methods. Im not ddosing them or trolling in there. They do them and continue to suck at it imho. And besides i just answered cuz someone else asked me why i think it sucks.
Yes they want to be a safe space for their users, if some people want to talk on the internet without being harassed I’m happy for them
True, but they are not very welcoming either, or inclusive if you will.
Did this stop working?
Since I was using this to write a little defederation thing on which instances find hexbear so repulsive they had to defederate I noticed the number from exploding-heads go up quite a bit from the 75 to 170 now. I will make it a point to call out two specific instances for being hilariously disgusting feddit.de aka the german federation, and feddit.dk both defederated hexbear but didn’t defed the outright nazi instance exploding-heads earlier today, class act from the german and danish mod team.
Also apparently they were aware of it two months ago but didn’t chose to act until today which yeah class act from the german admins. https://feddit.de/post/1151473?scrollToComments=true
feddit.de blocks exploding heads.
By and large feddit.de is to the left of /r/de which was already center-left.
…but whatever fits your narrative, I guess.
…but whatever fits your narrative, I guess
obviously a mistake?
Not checking easily verifiable information when going on a “muh they block tankies but not nazis” rant, essentially accusing the instance itself of being a Nazi cesspit, doubly sus when doing it to a German instance, is quite a mistake, yes.
Also: Just checked, feddit.dk also blocks exploding heads. Both at least since 2023-06-15 (as per fba.ryona.agency). So two out of two wrong, nice, “but didn’t defed […] exploding-heads earlier today” wrong, nice, that’s framed as if he just checked “earlier today”, and a fellow hexbear giving moral support to spreading malicious gossip instead of calling it out. And then you folks ask why people don’t like you.
Looks like the usage may have gone over Vercel’s usage policy (I’m not super familiar with Vercel)? I see the following when trying to bring it up:
402: PAYMENT_REQUIRED Code: DEPLOYMENT_DISABLED
Never seen exploding-heads before, so I went to their page … turns out they’re leaving lemmy and the fediverse for nostr: https://exploding-heads.com/post/765290
Main reason being all the “censorship” (ie defederation) they’ve received.
Cool, it seems defederation works as intended!
What is nostr?
Crypto social media as far as I can tell. It is essentially a microblog. Jack Dorsey is into it, and weird is that cares more about it than BlueSky.
Didn’t wanna be friends with those le redditors anyways
Oh wow, I just looked up Lemmygrad and was shocked and dissapointed at the results, seeing the Exploding Heads results changed that dissapointment to complete disgust.
Now do burggit(dot)moe!
Yeah, not really surprising. Radical left is usually shunned much more readily than the far right.
Really says a lot about the liberals around us.
I wonder what happens when you scratch them
I couldn’t find any tools to check this, so I built one myself.
Literally the first link on join-lemmy.org has a table showing all instances and it shows both how many instances that instance is blocking "and* how many other instances are blocking that instance
That’s very useful, thank you @Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com
Just to note if copying the URL you have to strip off the https:// or else it won’t work (maybe people just don’t copy that these days, but I ran in to that problem anyway).
Uh yeah that is true. This was a one afternoon project, so I kinda threw the frontend together without thinking too much of it. I guess truncating the protocol instead of relying on the users doing it makes sense.
Also: tested it on mobile. And my probe capitalized the first letter, returning an “instance not found”.
Noted, adding a forced
.toLowerCase(). I’m implementing all of the feedback I’ve received thus far right now.Awesome!
@infamousbelgian@waste-of.space @Mane25@feddit.uk both changes have been pushed and deployed, thank you for your feedback.
It doesn’t recognize kbin.social? Maybe I input the url incorrectly. Just curious
Only works with Lemmy instances I think, I’m not sure what the technical reasons are.
Removed by mod
ok, it seems to be working 😆
even lemmynsfw defederated them, lol 🤣 why?
they are are extremely obnoxious mix of tankies and some other leftists who might have been slightly less obnoxious if they were on their own, but being in the group with said tankies, you don’t want them any more than the former
i apologize for grammar structure of my sentence and hope it makes some sense
if you have few days of time to kill you can check this thread where lemm.ee admin is asking lemm.ee users about their opinion on defederating them. they brigade the thread in such a way they make more than 77% of the 2k comments in the thread (not exaggerating - the thread has 1920 comments when viewed from lemm.ee and 425 when viewed from lemmy.world which blocks them) and explain their philosophy in the process. so you will understand stuff like “who absolutely needs to be murdered for the crime of having more money than you in order to make world more just place & other tankies’ wisdom”.
you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of “defederate. now.” today 😆
I don’t know why you are shocked and horrified when people engage with something on their own front page?
That’s how federation works, is it not?
It’s not brigading, it’s literally right there at the top of the front page, so of course people will comment on it.
It certainly wouldn’t be brigading if the ratio of hexbear comments was proportional to its size. But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example, and they saw the thread in their feeds just as much as you did.
That’s how federation works, is it not?
Federation works by connecting various instances with different goals and different userbases. Those instances need a space to discuss those goals among themselves, where the admins can communicate with the users, etc. Some external engagement is to be expected, but one specific instance creating 3x more comments than all the others taken together (including the instance whose policy is supposed to be discussed) should, uh, raise an eyebrow.
It certainly wouldn’t be brigading if the ratio of hexbear comments was proportional to its size. But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there
Have you ever seen how active our site is for its size? What you’re getting is just the normal amount of organic engagement when you offer our most prolific posters the opportunity to dunk on the most braindead libs outside of reddit.
But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example
Why would there be a large proportion of lemmy.world comments when the thread is literally about hexbear? You don’t expect hexbear users to have stronger opinions on that than lemmy.world users?
Honestly it sounds about right. Prior to federation our news megathreads occasionally broke 1k comments over a week, and that’s only a small subset of the userbase. Hexbear users have cultivated a culture that encourages being more online, and we were already extremely online. No downvotes, for instance, means that if you disagree with someone you have to comment, and we obviously disagree with the political opinions held by the majority of people so there’s quite a bit there. Also worth noting that if an admin/mod expressly calls for us not to comment on a post, as was the case on the second defederation discussion post on blahaj, we won’t.
I’m surprised at how reasonable and self reflective you are. Breaking the instances stereotype a tad
But, you bring up a point that I’ve always wondered about. Why would an instance not have downvotes? If I hosted an instance I’d prefer to not implement upvotes rather than ever getting rid of downvotes, considering they are basically required to filter out the bad faith content without engaging with it.
Breaking the instances stereotype a tad
when approached in good faith, 90%+ of Hexbears will level with you
When NOT approached in good faith (90% of the time) we don’t react as well
considering they are basically required to filter out the bad faith content without engaging with it.
Well there’s where the hexbear magic happens. If we see bad faith content it’s basically open seasons to very vocally inform the poster how bad faith their post is.
if you see bad faith or shitty content you just tell the poster they’re a loser
like so:
edit: I’m not calling you a loser but the ppb usually functions as a downvote. You either argue with someone or just bully them with ppb until they leave the site or the mods ban them
you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of “defederate. now.” today 😆
Is that why you haven’t stopped whining about us ever since
I normally hate the whole de-federation thing, but the radlib chapocels there are annoying af.
radlib
wen u no wat werds meen
radlib
oh fuck we’ve been owned
Radlib isn’t one I’ve heard yet! Would you mind saying a little more about why you think hexbears are radlibs?
of course no response /:
Fucking same boring interactions over and over, and never any follow through!
This won’t be abused at all…
How can it be abused and to what end? You can go to any (instanceurl)/instances to see what it’s federated to.
A similar tool has existed for years and it is run by Kiwifarms with the primary purpose of ban evasion for trolling and harrassment campaigns.
Neat tool!
