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Hexbear is fascist. They’re pretending to be tankies, but every single post on there is right-wing and bigoted. It’s so damn obvious.
These people absolutely just make shit up relentlessly.
We are fascists for checks notes… not supporting ukrainian nazi militias in their struggle to purge ukraine of the ethnic russians.
Wasn’t the fact that “the nazi ukranians with a jewish president are trying to ethnic clean the russians” the same excuse used by Putin to start the invasion?
the nazi ukranians with a jewish president
suggesting that their president is jewish means they don’t have a nazi problem in their military is just as ridiculous as suggesting that america doesn’t have a racist cop problem because Obama was black. Imagine if we had elected Bernie Sanders (who is Jewish) in America. Does that mean all the nazis in our military and police would simply disappear? of course not. Nor would have electing Hillary Clinton brought an end to sexism. Nor would electing Pete Buttigieg have brought an end to LGBTphobia. There’s a difference between the milestone of electing to high office a member of a marginalized group and the literal end of all discrimination against the marginalized group. The two should not be confused with each other under any circumstances.
Zelensky admits it is in US interests to use Ukraine
Biden before the war admitting the US would target nordstream 2 if Russia goes into Ukraine
the same excuse used by Putin to start the invasion?
Just because someone uses something as an excuse doesn’t mean it isn’t a real problem. America used terrorism, a real problem, as an excuse to invade 7 different countries. The irony being that many of those right wing jihadist terrorist groups the US was fighting were originally CIA-backed anti-soviet reactionaries.
Putin’s actual reason for the invasion was Ukraine threatening to join NATO. NATO membership means the US can stage nuclear weapons in your country, train your troops, etc. Putin didn’t want US power that close to Moscow (the Russo-Ukrainian border is the closest international border to Moscow). This makes sense. After all, the so-called Cuban missile crisis back in the day actually started when America put nukes in Turkey, about 1200 miles from Moscow, so Moscow put missiles in Cuba, about 1200 miles from Washington. It was a tit-for-tat. After 3 decades of NATO expanding eastward into former Warsaw pact countries (usually under the rhetoric of “increasing security cooperation”) Putin finally decided to invade Ukraine. However, yes, it was rhetorically convenient for him to point out the neo nazis in Ukraine.
NATO gave informal promises to Gorbachev to not expand eastward (Gorbachev was stupid to believe these promises and not get them in writing as formal, legally-binding promises)
The Soviet Union tried to join NATO in 1954 but wasn’t allowed
Meanwhile NATO kept expanding
and including “former” nazis in its ranks
Now I see the power of posting. Saved
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T JUST USE FACTS AND CITATIONS AND PRIMARY SOURCE EVIDENCE YOU TANKIES ALWAYS POST A WALL OF DOCUMENTED SOURCES THAT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS AND THEN WHEN WE REFUSE TO READ OR ENGAGE WITH THESE SOURCES IN ANY WAY AND INSTEAD SPEW IGNORANT REDUCTIVE BULLSHIT LIKE A PARROT LIVING IN THE LOBBY OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT YOU CALL US MEAN NAMES YOU TANKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIES
Lol Finland and the Baltics abstained from the “Nazis are bad, actually” vote because of course.
Also, could you throw a CW: on there for holocaust, corpses, and nazis please?
Have you thought about turning this comment into a post on c/effort?
I’m humbled by your well documented reply. I can’t argue with that. Yours is probably the only one comment I’ve learnt something of.
I’m happy you read it, and had something to say in response. Thanks!
Saying Zelensky can’t possibly be supporting neo-Nazis because he is ethnically Jewish is exactly the same as saying Clarence Thomas can’t possibly be supporting white supremacists because he is black. There is such a thing as a racial “pick me”.
If Putin said “the sky is blue” would the sky suddenly turn green?
If Putin (or Trump, or Xi) one day jumps on the news saying the sky is blue, I’d totally look up with prejudice.
This is not really something to be proud of. It’s an admission of completely reactionary behaviour.
It’s OK to observe reality. Inventing a false one to suit your ideology is what the nazis do, and they’re much better at it than liberals are. They will win at it.
Why did that idiot even admit to that
Part of the success of liberal propaganda is getting liberals to performatively tell each other how propagandised they are as if it is totally normal, and for them to praise each other for it.
It’s the same mindset as when workers boast about how hard they have to work, as if it’s a good thing. Pride in being over worked, and admonishing other workers for not having it as hard as they do. Literally a culture of shaming other workers for not exploiting themselves hard enough for the bourgeoisie owners. They say it to each other with pride, not realising how much they’re fucking themselves over.
lol you do realize you’re not supposed to say that unironically, usually people say that as a joke
Am I not allowed to reply to a joke with another joke?
lmao “bro I was just pretending to be a dumbass bro, I swear to god bro”
Uh huh sure bud
Least deranged liberal
This is a bit account right?
Excising large parts of your frontal lobe to own the tankies
So if Xi would ever mention that jumping into a bucket full of excrement is a bad idea, you’d consider covering yourself in piss and shit to own Mr. Pooh and the tankies? Sweet! I’d better make that phone call with Xi right now
Yes, it was. I’m honestly shocked. No one seems to know what Russia’s causus belli was.
Anyone of that video of the Banderites laughing about how Zelensky deflects all attention from the Nazi formations because Liberals can’t hold the idea of a Jewish President in a country dominated by Nazi politics in their heads?
Jewish people can be nazi collaborators. Of which, Zelensky is all-but-explicitly one, given the kinds of people he materially supports and empowers. Source: I’m Jewish
If we were fascists, why don’t we support amerikkka
Shit like this always reminds me of how a big watershed moment for my baby leftist journey was finally coming to the understanding that these words have meanings that get warped like a fun house mirror in the U.S.
I just casually referred to Stalin as a fascist once in front of a non Anglo and they called me out for it. They weren’t even an overly ideological person they had just grown up in a non Anglo education system and to their ear calling Stalin a fascist was factually incorrect and sounds kinda idiotic to most non western ears. The self awareness this created was the start of a lot of of layers peeling in retrospect.
They were absolutely correct! Obviously! Whatever criticism you may have of Stalin, and I think we all have them, he was not a fucking fascist! Stalin could easily be one of the most pivotal figures in the DEFEAT of fascism in Europe and yet liberalism and propaganda and the myopic political lens that Americans are given to interpret the world drains all texture and greyness from history and leaves you with this shambling nonsense narrative where everyone who was opposed to the U.S. global hegemony post WW2 in ANY capacity is either a “fascist” or a footnote in the history books because whatever shot they had at the wheel was usurped by the State department.
All this is to say never stop bullying and always remember to remind anglos that the western narrative of history is far from universally accepted and full of gaping holes.
Breaking people out of national chauvinism and into internationalism is in my opinion the key trigger moment between sympathising with some left ideas and becoming a true actual leftist. It is the key that inoculates a person against “the tankies are evil” bullshit and finally rips them out of the hands of liberal propaganda. Once people make that transition into wanting a truly international perspective, learning things at the international level, viewing things from the position of truly seeking international socialism and so on… It is where people finally rid themselves of brainworms that have sometimes been built up for many decades.
Somewhere along that transition from national to international people undergo a personal decision of “I have a huge amount to learn” and go on that learning journey. That personal decision to actually learn is where they discard many things they thought they already knew, built up from billionaire media and propaganda.
I will keep on saying this over and over again here. The biggest thing we should be doing is pushing people to stop being nationalists and to become internationalists. Once they do this they become so much easier for us to engage with.
You know… I don’t know if it was the tipping point. That’s hard to say. But this was a major tipping point for me: knowing that all those great welfare programs in any liberal democracy would have to be funded by hyper-exploiting the global south… that shook some of the last remnants of liberalism out of me.
It’s unacceptable. That conclusion only leaves revolution and the need for a coherent theory that has been shown to work. Marxism is the theory and, to put it simply, either we all get free or none of us do. Makes it a lot easier to empathise not only with other people but also with the socialist struggle in other places. It’s more of a bridge than a stepping stone to class consciousness.
There are likely a lot of people susceptible to this view as it’s common in the west to e.g. tell kids not to waste food because there are starving people in poorer countries. It doesn’t fully make sense even as a kid. It’s well-meaning but ultimately it’s a liberal performance. It means that many, many people are hardwired to think about the damage caused by their consumption (or lack of it, here). All they need is a radical analysis to see why liberalism can’t solve the problem that they already accept and want to fix.
Not an easy task, still. In pedagogical terms, revolutionaries need to identify this and other ‘threshold concepts’. Then make them visible and comprehensible for potential comrades.
I saw one in here recently who hopefully had a bit of an epiphany moment. They were defending the US’s actions with a “doesn’t everyone just want their country to be strong?” kind of rhetoric. But they didn’t seem to be a conscious national chauvinist, they just seemed to assume that’s what everyone was and didn’t even know there were other options.
I hope they’ve been lurking and learning since then.
We should physically tell people to come lurk. Get people into a culture of visiting daily, learning. This was a successful tactic employed by the chan sites and it worked, “lurk more” turned into people learning site culture and adhering to it.
Obviously for them it worked in getting people to adhere to nonsense ideas and behave in awful ways. But the same principle can be put to use for good instead. Personally I’d like to see something like a “7day liberal challenge”, where we challenge liberals to visit the site 7 days in a row consistently to “test their views” and surely, if their views are solid they will not waiver. For most people I think they’ll shift significantly on a lot of things through this, and many might become active users.
Great idea. I’ve taken to telling a few people to come over and see what we’re like, that we’re willing to answer questions, etc.
Channer culture has become a staple of the internet because they use such successful tactics for getting people to adopt the behaviour.
I think you’re absolutely onto something here.
I usually just dismiss these goofballs by replying with “Tell me you don’t have a functioning definition of fascism without telling me” and maybe I’ll challenge them to define fascism in their own words without looking it up.
If, by some miracle, they start invoking the trash-tier Umberto Eco definition of fascism then you have two clear routes:
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You demonstrate how the US comfortably fits this definition, point by point
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You draw upon a Marxist analysis of fascism which centres the importance of materialist analysis of fascism, such as from the works of Georgi Dimitrov
What makes you think Eco’s definition is trash tier? Ur-fascism is a decent essay that gets frequently misinterpreted.
Because it only considers fascism from an aesthetic and cultural angle without any regards to the material basis of it and the conditions that fascism arises from.
It’s a hazy definition that describes the psychology of fascism more than it describes the phenomenon of fascism itself, and I think—like is the case a most pseudo-radical cultural critique—its analysis can be, and has been, misapplied because there’s no solid definition underpinning it.
It’s a bit like how if you ask a SocDem for a definition of socialism they’ll tell you that it’s welfare programs and democracy and restricting corporations and anti-authoritarianism etc.; they’ll give you a laundry list of characteristics which fails to form a cohesive analysis that strictly defines their concept, thus leading to them to miss the fact that Bernie was not campaigning on a socialist platform or that AOC/the Nordic countries etc. aren’t socialist, and if you challenge them on these matters they’ll deny your rebuttal outright because these things just feel socialist to them.
I guess in short, it’s a question of vibes vs material analysis.
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we’re ideologically much, much further away from Putin than they are. if he didn’t intervene in Crimea or Ukraine but kept all his policies otherwise intact, including the ones repressing minorities and pro-market ones, he wouldn’t be nearly as hated by these people.
libs fall over each other for the esteemed opportunity to lick the boots of the most depraved, most despotic, most comically evil politicians and oligarchs, with three exceptions: when they carry out those acts in a transparent way rather than hiding it behind veils of “we need to cut social security because of X”; when they use the state for economic interventions rather than free market “solutions”; and when they decide to snub America on a certain issue (but are otherwise perfectly willing lapdogs)
e.g.
unhinged rightwinger: “I will kill 100,000 poor people.”
libs: “nooooo! we need to register with our local police department to hold a 1 hour march through the city and then get teargassed anyway and then mutter “just a few bad apples” on the way home! but it’s important to remember that China does way worse things! stop using whataboutisms by bringing up America!”
unhinged rightwinger: “fine. I will reduce social security spending and cut funding to hospitals and homeless shelters (this will have the effect of killing 100,000 poor people)”
libs: “hm, yes, very wise, for I am also socially liberal but fiscally conservative and I think it’s important to reach across the aisle and engage civilly with our opposition so that they will give us policies in return (they won’t). the efficiencies in this sector will go up 4.7% according to this think tank’s analysis…”
leftwinger: “we should increase funding to hospitals and build more houses in this city to fix the homelessness problem (this will have the effect of saving 100,000 poor people)”
libs: “noooo! you’re using state funds which will increase the big magical national debt number! you’re not allowing the free market to build the best and most efficient housing! we can’t do this while there’s inflation! read economics 101! some of those building materials come from Russia and China, you’re a tankie!”
Liberals have no consistency and are totally operating on vibes. I remember liberals used to really like Israel.
They’ve even somehow rehabilitated George W. Bush even though he’s evil incarnate. They also admire literal monarchy? Like they were really into Elizabeth II back when she was around. They’ll all trip over themselves to say nice things about Churchill, about Alexander Hamilton (slave owner), and will say war crimes like the atom bombing of Japan are complicated. Other things their heroes did just aren’t in their worldview at all, like Clinton bombing Yugoslavia and Sudan, or Obama overthrowing Libya. Those events just vanished into nothingness for liberals. Or if you bring them up you’re accused of whataboutism and the conversation stops.
And yet they have the gumption to say we’re bootlickers?
And they criticize us for saying otherwise factual things about Russia? Not even bootlicking, just very neutral information like that NATO is openly hostile to Russia and that Crimea is currently administered by the Russian state. That’s enough to be called pro-Putin, but more than that, you’re not just expressing a political reality, your mind has been infected with Putin and you’re a bad person now.
They’ve even somehow rehabilitated George W. Bush even though he’s evil incarnate.
The bit where they had Bush giving candy to Michelle Obama six fucking years after the “end” of the Iraq War.
“He has the presence of mind and the sense of humor to bring me a mint,” Obama said of the former president, per ABC7. “And he made it a point to give me that mint right then and there, and that’s the beauty of George Bush.”
Actual quote from Michelle Obama.
In October of this year, Obama discussed her close relationship with the former president while making an appearance on TODAY to interview with Bush’s daughter, Jenna Bush Hager.
“I’d love if we as a country could get back to the place where we didn’t demonize people who disagreed with us. Because that’s essentially the difference between Republicans and Democrats,” she began. "That doesn’t make me evil. And that doesn’t make him, you know, stupid—it’s just a disagreement and that’s how I feel about your father. You know? He’s a beautiful, funny, kind, sweet man.”
HE MURDERED A MILLION PEOPLE OBAMA!
(I never know how to refer to the spouses of major political figures. First name, for women especially, seems demeaning but not in a useful way, while last name is confusing, and fuck me if I’m putting “Mrs”.)
He’s just a kind old feller who spends time painting nowadays. Wholesome harmless grandpa with a guilt free conscience.
Hadn’t thought about Clinton bombing that pharma factory in Sudan for a while. : |
Try telling them that there was no political reality where Russia would allow Ukraine to sieze control of Crimea and had it to NATO. Watch them seethe at you for denying the holiness of national sovereignty. Watch their minds bounce off the idea of strategic interest like a duck bouncing off a jetski. Oh, and try telling them that pretty much everyone in Crimea in some way worked for or worked to support the Russian Black Sea Fleet, so Russia didn’t have to invade because they already had a huge military base there. They just took the old flags down and put new ones up.
if he didn’t intervene in Crimea or Ukraine but kept all his policies otherwise intact, including the ones repressing minorities and pro-market ones, he wouldn’t be nearly as hated by these people.
all the old putin tough-guy memes are plenty of proof of this - you couldn’t go anywhere on the internet without seeing that one picture of him on a horse
Oh god I forgot all about those! They were everywhere! And videos of him doing systema with his body guards, fly fishing, all kinds of shit.
The concept of a national deficit is so hard for me to grasp.
So a deficit is when the government spends more money than they take in from taxes, cool. So government just raises taxes when they end up doing that, sort of like how I up my tax contribution if I end up owing at the end of the year. Wait, they only raise taxes on the working class? Because the capitalist class, through their money, is able to organize and consolidate power? That’s shit but surely it doesn’t get worse.
Okay, so where do they get the money to spend if they’re spending more than they take in? It’s gotta come from somewhere, I’m sure they just print more and that can’t be bad. Oh, so when they print more money that makes the existing money worth less… Well that goes for the capitalists too, so at least that’s even. Oh, you mean that they get to park their money in appreciating assets while mine gets spent day to day and my wage stagnates so my purchasing power and meager savings just fucking declines… It surely can’t get worse.
Yeah, I remember that appreciating assets thing. Get it over with, how does that fuck me over? So the government issues bonds, basically guaranteeing a set return on the money capitalists spend on them. How can the government guarantee that? Isn’t the market too volatile for that kind of guarantee? Ah, of course they would make up the difference with taxes, which I just learned are dis-proportionately paid by the working class.
he wouldn’t be nearly as hated by these people.
I honestly cannot remember how they talked about him in the before times. It certainly wasn’t with this level of mindlessness, but I’m also pretty certain they hated him back them too.
it depends whether you define the “before times” as pre-2022 or pre-2014. I think before 2014 he was just another world leader to some extent. he was initially hated a lot post-2014 I remember but because the invasion of Crimea was so quick (relative to this invasion) it was hard for a ton of self-reinforcing narratives to be set up in the media, and this was before the rise of calling everybody a tankie or calling out China on every political post, so within a couple years it was back to “strong-man Putin”. Russiagate obviously made his reputation tumble but if you weren’t really into that, you could still have been neutral on him leading up to 2022.
the efficiencies in this sector will go up 4.7% according to this think tank’s analysis.
Of course that think tank is bought and paid for by a deranged right-winger, but being critical of your sources is a concept libs only understand insofar as to ask “who published it? Oh CNN, then it must be fine”. They don’t actually employ any skepticism or source critique, propaganda is something that happens to other people far away
Them: “hexbear is a tankie echo chamber”
Hexbear: Federates to specifically not be an echo chamber
Them: “hexbear is federating just to fuck shit up”
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative.” -Michael Parenti
Thought terminating cliches on the right - “Tankie!” “Putler!” “Genocide Denier!”
“Thought has terminated” cliche on the left - This guy in 1986 succinctly explained why nothing you say will ever get through the reinforced liberal brain-pan
Hexbear is fascist. They’re pretending to be tankies, but every single post on there is right-wing and bigoted. It’s so damn obvious.
You all have been found out.
Hexbear might actually be one of the most non-bigoted places on the internet. we are militantly against bigotry. no epic logical debates here, you just get smacked in the fucking face by a banhammer if you try that shit here
no epic logical debates here
I wish
we are militantly against bigotry
Except for Estonians. The exception that proves the rule.
I’m not sure quite what to think about the Baltics. Obviously fuck their governments, and the numerous institutions pushing Holocaust revisionism and denial and re-writing 20th century history. But blanket-condemning little countries like that, no matter how shitty their government is, feels different from blanket condemning the US or UK. They’re under the NATO umbrella but despite being little pissant countries with fash governments they’re not exerting hegemonic power and are at most expendable speed bumps for Imperialism. I can’t imagine it’s fun or say being a dissident in the Baltics. hell, I don’t even think it’s legal, is it? Yeah, looks like they’ve got some blanket laws they use to hunt down Communists and, probably, anyone they think is communist
Idk, I gotta think about it.
To be clear, my comment was a joke about the lemm.ee admin saying we think Estonians are subhuman earlier this week.
I still wanna know what was up with that. I honestly haven’t had a single thought in my head about Estonia since I skipped a lecture to go see Encino Man in the 90’s.
You have no idea the restraint it took for me not to post the “Estonians are slop-eating Hungarians” tweet at the lem.ee admin during that whole debacle
I thought it was Latvians. Potato people is too vague I guess.
Eh. The Baltics are very small countries with… what’s the nice way to say this… Fascist collaborationist governments that have worked hard to control the narrative, erase the crimes of the 30s and 40s, and create a questionable view of 20th century history. It’s like any other country - Shitheads, none shitheads, and regular people in between. The official government line and the views of many citizens are hard right-wing, holocaust denial, and support for Nazi collaborators. You’re going to run in to a lot of fash and fash-adjacent assholes.
Edited bc I realized I’ve been saying Balkans instead of Baltics all day.
I think you mean Baltic.
Just gonna also throw out that a ton of the world’s stateless people live in the Baltic countries because they denied ethnic minorities citizenship after the fall of the USSR unlike every other former Soviet country. IIRC Lithuania isn’t involved in that at least, I think just Estonia and Latvia.
Wow. I’m pretty sure that’s a capital C Crime Against Humanity.
I believe most countries have signed an agreement never to create a stateless person due to how vulnerable they are to abuse.
That’s a why, for example, the
claims that Shamina Begum was a Bangladeshi citizen when they revoked her citizenship.
? It seems like wreckers are tolerated on that instance, and I can’t imagine that a real human thinks hexbear is far-right.Response 1 to that:
“I believe you, but i honestly can’t find anything fascist on their front page right now”
Lol maybe they shouldn’t believe a claim that has no evidence!
Response to that:
“Give it time. You’ll stumble across a pro-Putin post eventually.”
Since when do leftists support a capitalist like Putin? This is what late-stage Russia Derangement Syndrome looks like.
I believe you, but i honestly can’t find anything fascist on their front page right now
No evidence, just vibes
the fact they think so many trans people are out and about fascists is fucking wild. plus they talk about blahaj being ran by trans people, which is true, but also ignore that the trans community on lemmy is largely here, and for very obvious reasons
10% trans users on lemmygrad + 30% from hexbear, assuming we have no crossover (and I don’t think we have much) means 40% of our combined user base is trans (or 20 idk), WAY above world averages and way above what most instances can boast.
Compared to the lemmyverse as a whole however I’m not sure of the proportion our two instances represent, we’d have to look at active users on all relevant websites
Still waiting for blahaj to finally run a demos survey btw.
10% trans users on lemmygrad + 30% from hexbear, assuming we have no crossover (and I don’t think we have much) means 40% of our combined user base is trans, WAY above world averages and way above what most instances can boast.
🤓 um, ackshually, it would be 20%, because sample percentages are averaged into each other when added, not counting for the actual numerical difference between the instances’ userbases
… that’s not how percentages work
lemmygrad seems to be trans-friendly, and hexbear certainly is, but you can’t just add percentages together to get the total percentage
Um if it’s not how they work, then how come I just did it?
Two imaginary groups, one with 100 people and one with 1000. The group with 100 has 50 trans people (50%). The group with 1000 people has 500 trans people (also 50%). By your method, they would be 100% trans in total. In reality, the total would be that 550 out of 1100 are trans, again 50%.
Second round: one group is 50/100 (50%) trans and the other is 50/1000 (5%) trans. Does that mean they are 55% trans cumulatively? No, they are 9.091% trans.
idk the numbers for our instances but I imagine that it’s around 25%.
I like his method more.
We can finally complete the gay agenda by adding together groups of 100% trans people until we achieve a 100,000% group, then adding that group to the rest of humanity.
I’ve not been around regularly for the past few weeks but I’m glad that our beautiful posters have been engaging the libs in the posting trenches since the federation.The narcissism is strong here. Everything in the world revolves around them. We federated just to trick them. They are the main character of the universe and we are out to get them. Everything is about them.
Going into conversations with the staunch belief that you are correct and that evidence is ad hoc. You can either convert to my way of thinking or be foolish.
Nuance that changed my mind could never change theirs when it’s spoken from my mouth. It’s actually deeply frustrating for me and makes me feel like I’m not being listened to no matter how much I try to validate them until the anger is pushed down in my mind. The incuriosity that they might be wrong, the ignorance that the world may not be as it seems to you, or the lack of awareness of what a persuasive argument looks like makes me want to detach from a person. I try with active listening to be able to see other points of view so when I don’t get it in return it sucks. It just so happens that’s also how libs talk to lefties on some “Bernie is my abusive grandpa” shit.
Going into conversations with the staunch belief that you are correct and that evidence is ad hoc. You can either convert to my way of thinking or be foolish.
Fantastic way to sum up their thought process. I’ve rambled inanely about it in the past, but there it is, just in two sentences. They refuse to consider that their position is an incorrect one. I wish I knew how to get people out of that mindset, because people like that are the prime target for grifters and con artists.
“The utter lack of LGBT content on hexbear whinograd is quite telling”
This person has never used Hexbear.
LGBT is when you post shitty Reddit memes about being a heccin thigh highs catgirl programmer and nothing else
Am I the only one who finds those memes infantilising?
Sorry to be blunt here, but i find rejection of catgirl culture has mysogynist undertones waaaaayyy too often. That goes for anything that’s publicly considered to be too girly and i’m not having that. That’s not directed at you, but it absolutely is directed at people like ContraPoints who suffers from so much internalised transmysogyny that she can only live out her catgirl side ironically, and it is even moreso directed at r/196 and other cis liberals complaining about the issue because it makes them uncomfortable. Trans girls have a right to be saccharine and cutesy online, many of us need to go through a phase were we violently reject masculinity and that can’t always involve becoming a man-hating feminist like it did for me, it can also mean lots of uWu posting and that’s ok as well. It’s also worth considering that to demand from members of your community not to be a stereotype because it makes us look bad is a form of assimilationism, it is not compatible with approaches aiming for actual queer liberation.
Like i said, i don’t intend this as an accusation towards you. I’m just saying that critique of catgirl culture has problematic aspects to it and that i have to reject it when it comes from certain people.
These are all very valid points, thank you.
Assimilationism is bullshit pandering to people who’ll still hate us all at the end of the day. So, sorry if my previous comments gave that vibe.
Love my trans comrades, simple as.
Don’t get me wrong, i get your point and it’s honestly exhausting to chat with these girls if you’re like me and don’t have a folder full of anime gifs with an entire subfolder dedicated to headpats, i’m just saying that being queer should be about accepting the harmless weirdness of other people.
they seem like a really toxic and unhealthy bunch of people.
extremists who’s only defense to anything they don’t like is attacking others and badmouthing them.
Hexbear is fascist. They’re pretending to be tankies, but every single post on there is right-wing and bigoted. It’s so damn obvious.
Give it time. You’ll stumble across a pro-Putin post eventually.
I’m terminally online and I’ve been here for three years. I have literally never once seen a pro-Putin post. Absolutely begging for a single link lmao
I really don’t get how people can’t understand that it’s possible for a person to support something and also admit it’s flaws. Like, people are really out here not understanding dialectical thinking. It IS possible for something to be two things at once.
These are the same people that, with startling regularity, reduce countries with hundreds of millions of people into personifications about (sorry) SA related topics, so…you might be asking a bit much.
They quite literally have neither the framework nor the will to understand that each and every one of the 8,000,000,000 of us silly primates have equally valid wants and needs.
Youre missing a set of 0s there
It IS possible for something to be two things at once
ackshually that would be doublethink, as documented in george orwell’s seminal work of nonfiction ‘1984’
“Pro-Putin” to them just means not being ok with the west sacrificing every last man women and child in Ukraine for profit. Because Putin Bad Man.
It’s pretty wild watching some people go around in circles from “We need to end the war!” “So there should be a negotiated peace?” “No, you tankie fuck, we need to crush Putler!” “So… you want to keep throwing Ukrainians in to the grinder until you run out?” “No, we need to end the war!” “So, there should be a negotiated peace?” and on and on from there until they become frustrated by your inability to understand that if they just manifest it hard enough Putler will run out of missiles and the Russian army will collapse and Ukraine will counter offense or some bs like that.
To paraphrase a Daily Show quote: “You’ve confused a negotiated settlement with always getting everything you want"
I don’t know how they think this war is going to end. Anything other than a complete Russian capitulation will seem unacceptably morally compromised appeasement.
Based on absolutely no solid information I assume that Ukraine has to collapse at some point. I didn’t get the impression they were doing very well, and news reports say they’ve been struggling to feed their guns for a long time. NATO is already losing interest and a trickle of a few tanks a year from now it’s going to change the course of the war.
Their favorite argument is “the war would end if Putler just gave up and pulled his troops out”
And it’s just… Yeah sure, that would be fine I guess, but there’s like a zero percent chance of that happening. So if you actually want this shit to end you have to come up with a realistic solution. It’s almost as if the world doesn’t work on thoughts and prayers.
This is also incredibly naive.
A strongly militarised contingent of ultranationalist groups has been in a state of war against Eastern Ukraine. They’re more powerful than before, they have the backing of the state, and they’ve got a taste for blood.
If Putin pulled out tomorrow, the idea that they’d just demobilise and that they’re wouldn’t be any reprisal actions against the people in the Donbas region is just… unfathomably ignorant of recent history and the conditions in the Ukraine.
Imo there’s zero chance that if Putin pulled out that we’d see an end to the war. It would simply morph back into a civil war situation again.
Their favorite argument is “the war would end if Putler just gave up and pulled his troops out”
And it’s just… Yeah sure, that would be fine I guess, but there’s like a zero percent chance of that happening.
And what’s the probability of a state just giving up territory?
Pretty high.
They were negotiating a peacedeal that was so close Boris Johnson had to go immediately to Ukraine and stop Zelensky.Now tell me: If large parts of a country is occupied, and those parts have voted for separation from said country, and the country is unable to continue fighting, what do you think will happen?
It’s brain-melting that these people who care so deeply about the lives of Ukrainians and their right to self determination will about-face the moment that you raise the issue of the state of civil war in Eastern Ukraine was in since 2014 and the right to self-determination for people in the Donbas region.
They’ll literally go out of their way to call you an apologist for Putin and shit. Like, bruh, Ukrainians have been dying for nearly a decade now and you only started giving a shit about it when the media told you to, and even then it’s only a curated, selective concern for the lives of Ukrainians.
Free Hong Kong! Free Tibet!
Free Hawaii!Free Puerto Rico!!Free Donetsk and Lugansk!Not to mention that war with Russia could have easily been avoided if at any point in those 8 years of Ukraine killing civilians, it had lived up to the promise it made in Minsk and Minsk II of just giving the eastern regions autonomy and a vote on self-determination. That was always the only major demand from Russia.
but every single post on there is right-wing and bigoted. It’s so damn obvious.
Damn Hexbears being bigoted against People of NATO.
Anything about Ukraine that isn’t sucking off Zelensky and calling Russians disgusting orcs is considered “Pro-Putin.”
antifa are the real fascists
Lol they are doing that aren’t they?
I have literally never once seen a pro-Putin post.
Really? I see so many anti-Clinton, anti-Biden and anti-Democrat posts here. You literally supported Russia’s illegal electoral interference to undermine our democracy. You were the reason we got Trump. You are pro-Putin, just admit it.
TIL anti-Clinton = pro-Putin
Fuck I have been owned
Is this an actual bot? You got me if so.
If not: USA does bad thing
But they do bad thing
USA bad thing is worse
USA tries to be good
USA kills millions and destabilizes the world
You wouldn’t vote for harm reduction
“Harm reduction”
Conservative bad
Oh here we go, it’s the most important election again, right?
Putin’s puppet
Ukraine should surrender the two pieces of land so they can stop fighting
Not how it works
I wouldn’t go to bat for a place that has no interest in helping a socialist project. It’s not my war
Incrementslism
We’re incrementing away with shit like abortion restrictions
Conservatives
It happened with democratic majority
Not supermajority
Lucy and the football
If you voted for them-
“If you voted for them 🙄”
All Putin’s talking points, see, Hexbear be like
See, not a single leftward consession. Do you think it was brunch losers who canvased for Biden? Professional losers
I hate you
Dumb lib
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I believe you, but i honestly can’t find anything fascist on their front page right now
Some of them are close to figuring it out.
Egads! There’s no evidence for my claims! Whatever, it must be true anyway. Slava Zelenski
It worked. We should refederate and do it again.
I know that we have instances that we play nice with, but all the turbulence of the past week, while funny, makes me think that the entire concept of federation is flawed.
We’re getting on well with Lemmygrad and I think we’re doing okay with Lemmy.ml
There’s a profound difference in world view between what we’re doing and most of the rest of the world. There aren’t a lot of hard line left anglophones running around, and the ones who are usually aren’t extradordinarily online assholes. Our culture was going to class enormously with the average liberal Democrat voter and most of their ideological fellow travellers.
I think federation is a good idea, but you need each instance to be very roughly speaking similar languages and having similar views about the world, at least to to the point where you can have discussions without immediately flame wars breaking out. That’s a hard sell between hard line leftists and libs right now because we’ve got a pretty solid theory for why things suck, whereas libs can’t understand why most things suck while still being libs. They have to continue to believe in the institutions and the constitution and the democrats and all that shit, or their woldview collapses. We know that their worldview is bullshit. So it’s hard to have any kind of conversation about any concrete topics before a leftist says “Actually things suck because neoliberalism and democrat leadership” and then a liberal’s head explodes.
Extremely online left anglophone assholes of the world unite
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That’s true, but i still find it grating to interact with communities outside of hexbear. It’s an extremely reddit thing where i constantly have to deal with debatelords and latently transphobic liberals who think they can talk down to me when i point out their transphobia. I see the potential in growing and expanding our community and sharing our views, but i miss the cozyness and safeness of pre-federation hexbear.
lol guys, they got you on this one. Literally the entire federation discussion was just people talking about how they couldn’t wait to dunk on libs.
Not necessarily, I wouldn’t call dunking on libs “fucking shit up”. Our activity in threads posted on other instances can be summarized as us providing a leftist perspective that would not have been there if not for federation. Dunking is what we then do to liberals who respond to said perspective in bad faith. I think that’s actually good for the federation, not destabilizing.
You’re right, but there was also a broad expectation, including on my part, that immediate rhetorical violence would occur when the two cultures came in contact. “Dunking on libs” relies on detailed knowledge of the observed behavior of liberals - Limited ability to handle contradictions, unlimited excuses for their team while condemning the other team as uniformly evil, total lack of interest in history or material circumstances, shocking flat out ignorance. So, like, yes, some of us, including my self, were screaming M*! M*! M*! while banging on the table with forks and knives while our comically long red tongues hung out of the corner of our mouths and thick ropes of drool splattered on to the plates, but we had a pretty good reason to expect that outcome.
Nah fuckers been making shit up on how this place is full of facist republicans
“You tankies need to join the real world”
“No not like that”
For me, the point was to engage in other communities and talk to others outside of hexbear. I’ve done that and shared my opinions on things, from Android to homes to formula one to politics. If they disagree with my opinions that’s fine, but it was never to “fuck shit up”, I’ve always been genuine in my interactions.
holy fucking shit
Yup, don’t know how that’s not obvious to everyone at this point. They just shit on anything western/American to be contrarians. China is good cuz MURICA bad. I’m not a fan of imperialistic western behavior either but that doesn’t make China a positive influence on the world stage.
I really thought more liberals-leaning-left had become more aware after 2020. I guess if you can’t abide the anti-capitalist perspective, it’s quite impossible to fight against the propaganda currents.
China is good cuz
MURICA bad.they do good things for the worldFixed that in case any lurkers weren’t clear
Iraqi who saw the US turn their family, friends, and neighbors into bloody puddles and their homes into rubble: You know what, I’m thinking the US is kinda bad.
Hexbears: I have solidarity for this person.
Lemmy.shitlib: CONTRARIAN
shitting on the global hegemonic imperialist power into which the exploited labor of billions feeds is “contrarian”. of course.
I’m not a fan of imperialistic western behavior either
oh no, they better not follow it up with a b–
but
lmfao.
doesn’t make China a positive influence on the world stage
I’m a little confused by what metric China isn’t a positive influence on the world stage. sure, call them 1985 george ornell aminal farm authoritaritarians all you want inside their country, continue to make social credit score jokes like a dipshit, whatever, but China hasn’t declared war on a country in decades and they’ve actively pumped one trillion dollars into infrastructure projects in developing countries, forgiving debts as often as not. meanwhile, the US pumps trillions of dollars into murdering civilians into several of those same countries.
Yeah, but they do it while being, you know…“Not a western ally”
sure, call them 1985 george ornell aminal farm authoritaritarians all you want inside their country, continue to make social credit score jokes like a dipshit, whatever, but …
I get your point but this isn’t a consistent expectation. They’re unserious people who haven’t got a coherent outlook on countries like China, they accept an aggregate of headlines and reddit comments or tweets they come across. MSM doesn’t portray China as a force for good on the foreign scene, in fact it uses vagueries to scaremonger, so it’s natural that somebody who’s fallen for CCP genocide, opression whatever narratives won’t look into the facts of the matter and see the good the PRC does.
