I’m trans and I really don’t want to federated with these people if their mods are defending the -tard suffix and they aren’t getting de-modded and banned. I also don’t want to be federated with them if they ban critiquing western chauvinism.
Someone who is an admin and with more of a level head than me RN please talk to their admins about it.
Another interesting snippet of the modlog. They’re an “anarchist”.
I try to be polite when I’m on Hexbear, because I know there are a few anarchist comrades around.
But this particular type of western “anarchist” is my absolute least favourite type of lib. Ignorant, smug, drunk on the tiniest bit of power they can get, projecting their own faults and character flaws onto the rest of humanity. Assuming everyone else is even more vile and shallow than they are. Absolute scumbags.
As our resident anarchist mod, trust me I agree with you. These people are not anarchists, they are liberals or outright fascists, they just don’t know it or are acting in bad faith.
Seeing how many people firmly ensconsed in liberal politics have appropriated anarchism in name only is very upsetting. It creates bad blood on the left, and diverts potential comrades from reaching actual leftist information and politics.
I agree and it’s the same as how more recently the whole maga communist/patriotic socialist thing has come about.
These people are not our comrades, though I have a bit more sympathy toward the misguided anarchists because I think their reactionary views are at least a bit more organic and just due to being immersed in a century of anti-communist propaganda.
“Anarchist” in the west is surprisingly often used to mean “Person who’s given up making sense of life”
I think it’s very much an online thing. Comrades I’ve met on the ground don’t care about this aggressively online stuff. They’re worried about feeding homeless neighbors, undermining the cops, and other pro-social community work.
Oh for sure, way too many people in the west think anarchism is just “chaos” or “nihilism” or something.
Just purge the fucking mod, obviously they arent in a place to fairly moderate a community
Apparently they went to bat to die on the hill defending chasers in 196 to the degree that the head mod had to step in at some point, there’s no way this person isn’t a child
I’m always willing to bet on adults being shitty.
Anti-oppression policy/anti-oppressive speech is a safeword for most anarchists, if anyone wants to take up the charge and drive critical consciousness in that mod team.
You hate r-word because you think it’s ableist.
I hate r-word because it reminds me of imageboard culture, and also think it’s ableist.
We’re mostly the same.
That’s all I have to say for that second comment being removed. These people think leaders like Nelson Mandela are “tankies”. Like even most libs can recognise why people in Africa have aligned with communists. Holy hell, even the current US Secretary Of State, Antony Blinken, can recognise that history.
The African National Congress party, which has governed South Africa since white minority rule ended in 1994, had strong ties to the former Soviet Union, which trained and supported anti-apartheid activists during the Cold War. Nelson Mandela, South Africa’s anti-apartheid hero, who died in 2013 and was a global icon, was regarded with suspicion by Washington during the Cold War and was even on the U.S. terrorism watch list in that era.
“The Soviet Union was supportive of the freedom forces in South Africa, and of course unfortunately, more than unfortunately, the United States was much too sympathetic to the apartheid regime, so that history also doesn’t get erased, you know, overnight, it’s a process,” Blinken said.
Imagine being to the right of Antony Blinken and the journalists at Reuters.
Can’t wait for some liberal to say that Mandela made the wrong decision and should have aligned with the US and NATO during apartheid. Or that Mandela was wrong to look up to Fidel, Mao and Che. I’ll just leave you with some quotes from Mandela:
“I read works by and about Che Guevara, Mao Tse-tung, Fidel Castro. In Edgar Snow’s brilliant Red Star Over China I saw that it was Mao’s determination and non-traditional thinking that had led him to victory.”
“The revolution in China was a masterpiece, a real masterpiece. If you read how they fought that revolution, you believe in the impossible. It’s just miraculous.”
“From its earliest days, the Cuban Revolution has also been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of the vicious imperialist-orchestrated campaign to destroy the impressive gain made in the Cuban Revolution.”
“Within that international support for our struggle the Soviet Union and other socialist countries stood out. The governments and peoples of the socialist bloc gave material, moral and political support to our struggle in a manner and on a scale that we will never be able to repay.”
Hexbear is like 4chan because Hexbear is mean to people. Blahaj is not like 4chan despite using 4chan suffixes.
Hexbear is like 4chan because they do some trolling but blah isn’t despite literally sharing the same values as 4chan reactionaries
Federating with pedophiles and white nationalists hasn’t really worked out great for us
Shocker.
Honestly I don’t know why we are still federated with lemm.ee either.
The moderation and admin team from Lemm ee actually responded in good faith and realised that mistakes were made.
When it comes to lemmy.ml and lemm.ee, I see a good mix of fellow leftists, open-minded folks, and then of course the liberal smuglords and chuds. However, the important thing to note is that all of those users are completely atomized individuals, and I think that’s best to address them on an individual basis. The lemmy.ml leadership seems very supportive of our role there, and the lemm.ee leadership seems sufficiently open-minded despite what kinda looked like some pretty heated discussion.
Blajah seemed like a lot of drama and, maybe it’s just me but I saw less open-minded people than any other instance. Idk, from what I’ve seen people there are more fervently anticommunist than any other community?
Eventually Id just want to stick with lemmygrad and lemmy.ml and maybe one other instance
Well now what do we have here? Caught in the act and no gold to pay the fine
“Hexbear is like the Donald” - an instance blocking comments that are critical of their bigoted content
It really just boils down to “this instance makes me uncomfortable, so it is exactly like this other thing that makes me uncomfortable.”
They really just live in a world of empty reaction to things, no analysis.
You might say they are reactionaries
The whole thought terminating “tankie” cliche is incredibly effective at shutting down any critical understanding of politics outside the overton window.
I’m just glad I became a “tankie” before that particular thought terminating cliche became commonplace. A lot of the more recent anti-communist stuff probably would’ve worked on me really well back when I was a shitlib.
The weirdest part about people calling us fascists is that a core component of fascism is anti-communism
Calling tankies fash is right out of the Nazi playbook and just comes across as the same dumb shit as right-wingers saying “Antifa are the real fascists!”
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I joined an anarchist discord mascaraded as leftist unity. They unironically said tankies are right wing, aren’t communist and that anarchists are the real communists. They also unironically supported NATO. They spoke far and I really mean far more against tankies than against libs, centrists or right wingers. I know hexbear is for leftist unity and I will stay unified, but it definitely left a sour taste and a newly found prejudice.
I do believe that there is a large swath of Western anarchists who aren’t active. By active I mean antifascist action in terms of memories or protests, squatting places, food not bombs, creating autonomous or communal spaces, helping labour fights, supporting our 2SLQTBAG allies or alike. This means they are objectively and effectively passive.
If however they start a couple of those things and get theory they often get better, but then they often switch alignments and become anarcho-communist, communalist or alike or different. Or they get good skills. At least some of that was true for me at some point in time.
Tankies are bad / Woke are bad
Antifa are fascists / Communists are fascists
Both groups of liberals use exactly the same tactics of thought-terminating cliches when attacking leftwards. The conservative liberals do it to the democrat liberals and they then do it to us.
Liberals and their political analysis not extending past the point of crafting similes, name a more iconic duo. I’ll wait.
Honestly, so much lib bullshit is just “Donald Trump is like Voldemort and Hillary Clinton is like Hermione…” and then they list what they like/dislike about those characters in a comparative fashion and that’s all the analysis they can muster.
Or they say shit like Putin is like Hitler because Hitler Lebensraum and Putin also expanded Russia via imperialism. Plus here’s a picture of Putin with a Hitler moustache to make my argument more compelling.
As if there aren’t countless examples of countries engaging in imperialism and expansionism and as if that isn’t low-key Nazi apologism to reduce the primary characteristic of Nazi Germany to just “expansionism” at the expense of ignoring all the other, far more egregious, things that characterised Nazi Germany.
All this while they downplay concerns people have about actual Nazism in Ukraine. I wonder how long it will take before they expand this thought-terminating stuff to encompass any anti-nazi sentiment.
I wonder how long it will take before they expand this thought-terminating stuff to encompass any anti-nazi sentiment.
negative 1.5 years
"Bro, the OUN, Right Sector, C14, Azov Battalion, Patriot of Ukraine, Svoboda, Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists, Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, National Corps, People’s Front, and Batkivshchyna Battalion aren’t actually fascists though.
They’re just conservative nationalists, bro. It’s completely different. Trust me bro - I read the news!"
Banning comments critical of ableism is way beyond anything that a hexbear has ever done. This is absolutely damning stuff. This isn’t a random user or something. It’s
an admina mod over there.It’s a good illustration about differing values - hexbear takes bigotry very seriously while most online communities let it slide. And then other communities look at how unapologetically serious and mean we are about politics and decide we’re irredeemable. Total values disconnect.
They are kinder to systems than they are to individuals
Nelson Mandela was a communist. Was the final recipient of the Lenin Peace Prize from the Soviet Union. And (re)wrote a book titled “How to be a Good Communist” while in prison where the first lines of the book reads:
A Communist is a member of the Communist Party who understands and accepts the theory and practice of Marxism-Leninism as explained by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin , and who subjects himself to the discipline of the Party.
His remarks on receiving the Lenin Peace Prize after finally getting out of prison are here: http://www.mandela.gov.za/mandela_speeches/2002/021028_lenin.htm
I think this part is relevant:
As we remember the support from the Soviet Union and the socialist states, it is fitting that we also pay tribute to our historic partnership with the South African Communist Party.
We remember how South African communists came to the material support of the ANC at a time when the police were raiding our offices almost on a daily basis, depleting us of our resources to pay our full-time officials. We can never forget those concrete acts of solidarity.
The SACP has been trustworthy and dependable allies over decades as part of our movement in all its formations. Our relationship with the Soviet Union and the socialist world had much to do with their presence in our ranks.
Of course, liberals leave all of this out when praising Mandela.
Another favorite of mine is Chef Boyardee receiving the Order of Lenin award.
Another favorite of mine is Chef Boyardee receiving the Order of Lenin award.
i think that might be early wiki shitposting bro lol
The list of people whose socialist, anarchist, and communist politics have been written out of history is enormous. One that strikes me has always been Helen Keller. She was a noted and popular speaker in the early 20th century, but when she began speaking authoritatively about leftist struggle she was blacklisted from media and the story that gets told in schools - a story mostly about the teacher she worked with to develop speech and communication methods suitable for her disabilities - began to be shaped.
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I’m also salty because they deleted my explanation of how middle and large workplaces in the DPRK work (dual control, women’s league, etc) as “tankie shit”
For those unfamiliar, Google “taean work system”
It’s surreal seeing how furious people get when you try to educate them on the DPRK, even basic facts about them, or just like, photos of regular houses there make these people absolutely lose their minds.
Apparently the DPRK has concocted this whole fake system to trick gullible westerners, a system with complexity and history rivaling any other in the world, but their real system is just “Cartoon villain Kim Jong Un orders everyone around and they do it even though they all secretly hate him and need westerners to save them.”
Just pisses me off about how much effort and patience needs to go into teaching people basic facts about a country, and yet they’ll believe “Kim Jong Un tells the people he rides around on an invisible unicorn” and they’ll just never question how racist and dehumanising it is to assume all people of the DPRK are like mindless children, believing everything they’re told.
(disclaimer, I’m not trans) yeah, my general attitude on blahaj at this point is “fuck 'em.” I understand that there’s a desire to bolster and grow the trans space on lemmy, but these people suck, and frankly I feel like the cool ones that we’d want community with would just make accounts here anyway if the two were de-federated.
I understand also that most of the problem originates specifically from their 196 community, but if the broader blahaj instance chooses to allow them to act like this unchecked, then there’s no reason for hexbear to go out of our way to appeal to their instance.
I’m trans, and I completely agree that those people suck. I’m not sorry that they defederated us, and I honestly have no idea why you guys are trying so hard to make it work. Even when the admins claim that they’re trying to smooth things over, they’re still downright hostile to hexbear.
Appeasing these people will not work.
Edit: this is the justification for defederating us. Absolute dogshit. Just a random claim that we were saying horrible things:
we gave up. they won’t address the transphobia, racism, and ableism coming from the 196 mod team so we’re defederating them.
I’m usually not a fan of defederation. But those people honestly just make me sick. They sound like feds in a rainbow overcoat. I’m glad you guys were here to bring the issue to light again though, and seem to have brought some of their users with you.
The mod team on blahaj are absolutely atrocious. Other than Ada, who seems to actually engage in good faith and tries to foster at least some level understanding, their mods respond to our mods wanting to talk by leaking DMs and general bad-faith attitude. When Ada requested that direct DMs from our mods not be shared, there was some shitty scribbling and effective refusal to comply, and now also this modlog?
Everyone’s a lib, that’s fine. But the blahaj mods are just actively playing troublemaker at this point and don’t seem interested in any kind of actual good faith interaction. They never have seemed it.
The “tankie” cliche is a powerful information weapon. It preps people to dismiss everything they encounter from mls, at minimum, but likely a lot of other left politics gets caught in the cross fire. I really wonder how the anti-tankie crowd encounters revolutionary Anarchism. Many of them seem extremely hostile to any form of revolution and any use of force to achieve political goals, and to the admittedly very limited degree I’ve talked to them seem to think anarchism is when you let everyone do whatever they want, without a lot of theory beyond that. It seems, and I hope this is just my limited experience with them, that their politics begins and ends at “you cannot force anyone to do anything for any reason”.
I disagree. The admin is part of the problem as well. They’re just playing some good cop bad cop routine, with her being the good cop. If she really cared, those mods would be long gone. That’s her prerogative as admin. Like, she could just completely shut down the Lemmy site and focus more on the Blahaj Mastodon, which is the actual flagship Blahaj website.
good cop bad cop routine
So everyone’s a bastard like all cops?
You may well be right, I guess I’m just trying to be as generous with intentions as I can be.
Their reason for removing your post was really “imagine being this braindead?”
They’re certainly not encouraging us to act in good faith.
How do even respond in good faith? I’ve tried in my other comment in this thread, but it’s a position that’s to the right of the current US Secretary Of State, Antony Blinken. Even Blinken acknowledged the history of communist movements in the third world.
“The Soviet Union was supportive of the freedom forces in South Africa, and of course unfortunately, more than unfortunately, the United States was much too sympathetic to the apartheid regime, so that history also doesn’t get erased, you know, overnight, it’s a process,” Blinken said.
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