whoops no this is UC Davis in 2011. the cop pepper spraying these nonviolent student protestors filed for worker’s compensation claiming “psychiatric damage” due to having his name released and won more than $38k USD in compensation.
Noooo, how could the American America Party (AAP) do this??? Can’t Americans overthrow their government and make a pro freedom one? Are they stupid?
Please be careful about posting this where Americans can see. The regime will lower their credit score and they’ll be barred from buying a house.
Buying a house? My landlord (PBUH) reduced my credit score just by checking what the score was
In dystopia SEE SEE PEE China, merely asking to see your social credit score will lower your social credit score.
My landlord (PBUH)
lmao
newly uncovered photo of authoritarian tankies shooting anti war protestors
CW death
spoiler
“Why do you guys hate the US so much?”
“So… you want this alphabetically, chronologically, or by magnitude? In any case, grab a drink because we’re gonna be here a while”
I’d link a copy of Killing Hope
I like to tell them to read settlers
Oh I haven’t seen this before, thanks for sharing!
I’d recommend reading wretched of the earth first.
How could Mao Jinping do this SMH
We really just need a standard All-In-One response to 10,000 dead tanks washed down canals with bodies pro-democracy whatever the fuck.
Just something with all the relevant sources, refuting all the bullshit, and nothing gets posted but that. we’re wasting so much time responding to this bullshit every single day, to people who believe in an unfalsifiable fairy tale based not on history but a religious conviction that china-bad and anything that counteracts that must be a deception regardless of source or content.
so many anti-communist arguments are copy paste, our answers should be too lol
You can’t break someone’s religious faith with factual evidence
You’re never arguing to win over the debatebro dumbass. You’re arguing for all the lurkers that also see your post.
There might be better, but the RedSails article seems solid.
RedSails
RedSails
Nice try tankie, thinking I wouldn’t notice the favourite colour of your perfidious ilk right in the name of the website!
They spent so much money trying to cover this up/bury the picture
the picture
lol thanks for reminding me
Documents reveal UC Davis spent $175,000 to erase pepper-spray incident from Internet
That’s more than three teachers salaries
Not professors, that’s just slightly more than my boss’s salary
there are more relevant examples. Cops run over protestors all the time and citizens are encouraged to do the same and celebrated when they succeed
yea I wanted to post this photo and had to come up with a title
i cannot believe they only paid him more than 38000 workers’ rights have gone to damn hell
For anyone who wasn’t around, this was I think during Occupy (the social movement demanding economic reforms in the wake of the 2007 economic collapse. Obama said “lol no” and crushed it with overwhelming force". Those kids were just sitting on the sidewalk doing ineffectual nonviolence stuff. The cop just walked back and forth down the line spraying them in the face over and over. UC Davis caught a lot of flack for basically torturing students for having the gall to ask for simple reforms but nothing really changed. Probably seems quaint given the escalation of police violence in the last decade.
He also got paid $38k for doing this. Source
I’m sorry, you are right that there is oppression in the US, but to suggest that this incident is somehow equivalent to the Tiananmen Square Massacre, where people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains, is absolutely disgusting.
The term “false equivalence” doesn’t even begin to describe this. The disrespect for what happened is so reprehensible that it completely invalidates any point you might be trying to make. People died in Tiananmen Square.
video of tank man NOT getting run over, followed by a bunch of clips of American police cars running over protestors
Note, those tanks are leaving the square.
According to the western narrative, those tanks just spent hours gunning down unarmed protesters, then crushing their corpses into liquid.
And then stop to argue with a single dude trying to block them from leaving.
the Tiananmen Square Massacre, where people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains
sure i’ll read your source
According to The Independent, a secret British cable from the time alleged
which leads to
Written on 5 June 1989 by Sir Alan Donald, the then-British ambassador to China… The ambassador said his account of the massacre of the night of 3-4 June was based on information from a source who had spoken to a “good friend” in China’s State Council
so the evidence for this claim (“people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains”) is literally just someone said that someone else said hearsay passed through a game of telephone.
literally incredible.
ChineseBritish Whispers.so the evidence for this claim (“people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains”) is literally just someone said that someone else said hearsay passed through a game of telephone.
I went down an internet rabbit hole the other night trying to find the true source of the g*re images most commonly attributed to events in Tiananmen Square. I made like no progress after an hour, but one thread that stuck out to me was on the subreddit /r/MorbidReality, where a mod said the images were proven true by a reliable source, but their source was just a link to the search results from typing “Tiananmen Square” into gettyimages lol
Like not even a specific image, just the landing page for searching a keyword on a stock image site…If the proof of burden is on those alleging a massacre of (tens of) thousands of civilians, you would think they would do more than share like a small handful of images, most of which come with no easily accessible or verifiable context/explanation. it’s so weird.
edit cause the thread is still new-ish: if a user can shed light on the original source(s) of the images I’m describing can you please share so i can find intellectual closure on them?
And the evidence that this didn’t happen, in addition to the accounts of western reporters physically present in the square who said no one died and there wasn’t much violence in the square, is the like thousands of people who were students in the square at the time and don’t understand why Americans are so obsessive about it.
As long as the Chinese government censors the topic, it’s hard to know what exactly happened and what didnt. We are left with political statements and third-hand “knowledge”. Which isnt ideal.
i don’t see that as a reason to spread unfounded rumors of outlandish atrocities that are flatly contradicted by the evidence available. doing so is also not ideal, in my opinion.
Definitely. I dont even know where these rumours originate from, but I’ve heard them often enough online and a lot of people seem to believe them although even western-based encyclopedia etc clearly state the opposite.
Although the uprising is still taboo in China, everyone who was there on the square remembers. At the end of Beijing Coma, the protagonist Dai Wei recalls returning to the place where, a few hours before, his friend had been mown down by a tank. He remembers seeing her flattened corpse in the distance and noticing that: “As if refusing to be crushed, the flesh and bones had risen a fraction from the tarmac.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/30/ma-jian-tiananmen-square-remembered
Although the uprising is still taboo in China
No it’s not. No one cares and folks don’t understand why Americans are obsessed with it.
not only do you not read our links, you don’t even read your own. embarrassing.
At the end of Beijing Coma, the protagonist
beijing coma is a novel. it is literally a work of fiction.
So is Gulag Archipelago, doesn’t stop libs treating Solzhenitsyn’s drivel like it’s holy scripture
this one doesn’t say anything about running people over with tanks and washing their remains down the street drains?
seriously, stop repeating this disgusting lie.
My response with tons of sources, another thread, someone’s other post, and you choose only to respond to this single comment not by refuting their complete rebuttal of your argument but by linking a new source with no comment as if this is something you can do, like you don’t have to address the thing you just said that was proven to be complete nonsense. Do you actually believe your own points?
As with your poetry nonsense, we have to reply to the new source you cited too or you won’t get it (you still probably won’t). And from Amnesty International! The group that upheld the faked Iraq baby testimony used to push for the war in Iraq; the group that was advertised by the CIA; the group whose Board of Directors is filled with World Economic Forum hacks (Christopher Schlaeffer, Anjhula Mya Singh Bais, Alexandra Durbak) and a former CIA (NED) employee (Louisa Greve) Most of the article is uncited hearsay as per (their only source is two accounts, a quota which has already been met and exceeded by the sources we provided). Here’s a few provable lies in the article:.
pro-democracy protestors
with authorities banning all mention of the protest even today
complete and utter lie, we can even look at Chinese state media mentioning and addressing it
CPC News: Centennial Events of the Communist Party of China
People’s Daily: Memorabilia of the Communist Party of China 1989
China.org.cn: China Rejects US Statement on 6-4 Incident
China Daily - Tiananmen Massacre a Myth
China Daily: What’s Wrong With Our Liberal Studies Courses?
(all accessed through baidu)
there is no official death toll
Already proved this wrong in my other comment
Ah, I see you all planned some astroturfing in advance. Very credible.
having sources is astroturfing, not having sources is evidence of being correct. of course.
Can you explain what is the difference between astroturfing and providing sources and evidence?
Jesus christ. I wish you were a bot. Bots actually have an excuse for being unable to exceed their programming.
ad hominem
You fuckers literally cannot fucking help yourself holy shit.
calling ad hominem when someone isn’t even making an argument is
Aw fuck oh shit oh fuck
Dumbass
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Not only is fallacy reffing stupid, it’s not even an example of ad hominem, it’s just an insult.
Ad hominem: “You’re wrong because you’re a doo doo head.”
Not ad hominem: “You’re a doo doo head and you’re wrong.”
Also not ad hominem: “You’re a doo doo head because you’re wrong.”
No, but we do have reading groups, encourage each other to expand our knowledge, and post useful and interesting links to each other if they’re interested. You know, like most people do, like a community does.
Also: imagine being proud deliberate ignorance.
Nah, it just comes up a lot. No worries
Fucking daily. It’s infuriating. It’s so frustrating. Why are they obsessed with a completely absurd fantasy about this one specific incident? Catholics aren’t this obsessive with the crucifixion.
people were run over with tanks, and their remains hosed down the street drains
no they weren’t. about 300 people died in clashes outside the square, more than half of which were PLA and police.
The Myth of Tiananmen and the price of a passive press | Columbia Journalism Review
The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie. | Mango Press
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist
Of course, no one died in Tiananmen Square.
responding to the Columbia Journalism Review article (by the WaPo’s Beijing bureau chief who was in the square) with an unsourced tone poem inspired by Jorjor Well, you don’t look like a shit-eating clown at all
The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.
What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.
i feel like this essay crystalized a lot of what i was trying to figure out at the time when i first read it. completely changed the way i think about brainwashing and propaganda. i think you might’ve been the one that posted it then, too.
Wtf this is literally George Foreman 1989
I thought you were gonna link to a source but instead you’re linking slam poetry you absolute bozo
You get a well-cited post (including a QiaoCollective masterpost with tons of sources) and come back with this thought-terminating garbage? I’ll engage, and then provide more specific sources…
Your “source” (it doesn’t even approach this) is based on, 1984 an anti-semitic pile of garbage written by a Hitlerite colonial cop. Let’s see the evidence: Lutz creates contradictions where they are none (“nobody was killed” is not something anybody says, people were killed in outer areas but not in Tiananmen Square (mayor of Beijing (Chen Xitong) stated in a public report in the same year that “According to the information we have so far gathered, more than 3,000 civilians were wounded and over 200, including 36 college students, died during the riot” (not in Tiananmen Square though as this was evacuated). There isn’t really a piece of evidence or any convincing arguments in the post except for the “martyred soldier” quote, which I copied and google searched to find that the only results were this same article, so that’s out the window. Just terrible work.
Sources:
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Hou Dejian, a Taiwanese national and one of the leaders of the Tiananmen protests, saying he was in the square all night and saw no one killed](https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU)
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Confidential Cable from U.S. embassy in Beijing showing US knew there was no firing in the square
- out of his personal experience the correspondent alleges the government denied death in other areas which we already have proven was false
Why does it matter whether the deaths occurred in surrounding areas? 1: It puts a wrench in the Western narrative immediately 2: It strongly suggests that the fight was not a “massacre” but a battle between opposing groups, in which PLA soldiers were burned alive and hung [Content Warning] by CIA-supported and duped protestors (hardly invoking the idea of a massacre)
OP also linked video of police running over protestors in the U.S., which we just learned didn’t happen in Tiananmen Square. There is no equivalence, and this is not a good thing for your position. Now I know you won’t be able to refute any of the sources I linked (judging by the fact that you called a well-sourced thread addressing your exact complaints “astroturfing” because you’re completely incapable of even coming close to a good point), so go ahead with your snarky response. Nobody here is falling for it.
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Lmao 🤣
