Where is the outrage? Where have all the “humans” gone? Israel slaughtered over 300 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.
None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.
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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp
I’m tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human
They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before
That which cannot be found I desire
Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست
گفتند یافت می نشود جسته ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel @iran
Where is the outrage?
It’s there but media and the government are not covering it.
@index I’m not seeing it on social media either.
Some small scale actions but nothing like those in south korea or other places
@index I’m not seeing it on social media either.
On the fediverse there is
“In order for me to write poetry that isn’t political, I must listen to the birds, and in order to hear the birds, the warplanes must be silent.” -Marwan Makhoul
I’m so disgusted by hypocrisy of all the blue MAGAts so disgustingly silent about Trump bombings of Yemen and massacre in Gaza
These hypocrites were so loud about tariffs against Canada and Mexico
This is sadly how mainstream liberals have always behaved. I remember when all the anti-war folks seemed to disappear into thin air once Obama got elected. I guess extrajudicial drone strikes are cool when Democrats do it.
The poem is beautiful. This is truly the greatest moral stain of this generation upon the West; to have supported genocide, and not any genocide but the clearest case of genocide in this supposed era of ‘progress’ and ‘open-mindedness’ There is no progress, people are clearly just as racist, imperialistic and backward as they were in the 100s of years ago. A genocide unfolded and the ‘enlightened West’ watched on. How will you get the blood off your hands?
There is no progress, people are clearly just as racist, imperialistic and backward as they were in the 100s of years ago.
Don’t fall for the propaganda and don’t lose hope people are smart, governments are spending billions to brainwash them and keep them stupid, they are spending so much that they are in damage control because they can’t keep up with it.
The same way that this same regime got the blood of the native Americans off its hands: you bury it in history books so that only intellectuals will learn of the full genocidal scope of it all while the rest ignore them, it, and label anyone trying to warn the rest about it as tankies or malcontents.
Yes, but the ready excuse for the genocides of the past is, ‘That was a barbaric age, everyone was awful. We are enlightened now. See, we gave gay people rights!’ Well clearly, nothing has changed. They are still barbarously cruel. But since you’re from lemmy.ml, I imagine you already know.
yes, preaching to the choir; but it needs to be said out-loud/in-writing nonetheless for the those who aren’t aware.
There is only so much capacity for people to pay attention to stuff. Eventually people get numbers to this kind of tragedy. It’s a defense mechanism.
That is how it works. Usually.
You don’t have the energy or time to be brothered about the atrocities happening in the world, specially when the victims are not relatable to most the “civilized westerners”.
You don’t have the energy or time
The system is designed and shaped around you not having any time or energies to do anything that isn’t what you are told to do.
Yeah, it’s not that. I have yelled at people, snapped at my friends, and family over what’s happening in Gaza. There is only so much a person can handle mentally. For the record, I do not support what is happening, and I will not sit here and listen to someone tell me this is my fault. I am one God damn person. They are deporting and arresting the people protesting for Gaza here in the U.S.
In addition to this I feel like there is severe fatigue over conflict in the middle east. It just seems like an absolutely neverending shit storm of violence and turbulence and no matter what there will be fighting. I’m an old bastard at this point and it genuinely feels like every day of my life there has been something going on over there. It always sucks and it’s always a tragedy but if it goes on long enough people just grow numb to it. It’s normalized to a large extent now. It sucks.
Arundhati Roy mentioned! I love her books!
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I’m glad you found a way to blame a small amount of Muslims for this over the other… 70 million-ish people who voted for Trump.
Why would US Arabs vote for Harris? They have nothing to lose. Both parties are unwavering in their pro-genocide foreign policy, what difference does it make to the relatives they lost? A person is most concerned with their immediate relations; their family, community and homeland. After so much death and destruction, personal loss and gaslighting by the media, why would they even give a shit? When you lose family, you lose everything.
It is strange you decide to criticise the powerless Arab voters instead of the Democrats who had all the power, money and influence to stop the genocide if they wanted to. But they didn’t; they didn’t care when Rafah was bombed and they don’t care now, because they never cared about Palestinians. This would have happened even if the Dems had won. Punching down instead of punching up won’t help; it simply makes you look like a selfish person who is only concerned with their issues. Criticise those in power, who had it coming because they had all the means to prevent this.
No, Israel-Palestine would likely be very different right now had Harris won. I don’t think it would be where we want it to be, and people like you would probably be saying how Trump would have fucked it up so hard that there’d have been no choice but to ceasefire or some such dumb ass mental gymnastics, but it is pretty obvious to anyone even minimalist informed that Harris/Dem admin would have been a VERY different situation for US support to Netanyahu.
That said, it’s a waste of time to punch down, like you said. A not insignificant number of Arab American voters made a really stupid and poorly thought out choice, but nevertheless, a larger number of the electorate at large made a choice actually expecting this to happen. They are largely to blame and Republicans in general, from voter to elected, should be held responsible.
‘Vote blue no matter who’ people like to say that it would have been different ( with the implication that different would be better) but they very rarely say how.
The few times they do say how, it’s generally the work of minutes to one documentation of Biden doing the exact same thing.
So.
How?
How would it have been different? And, because I’m emotionally drained from dealing with my cat dying, I’m going to specify that it actually has to be better, not just different.
We literally told her and the Dems what needed to happen in order to get our vote: commit to BDS. But they refused, and instead ran two very different campaign ads in SE Michigan and the rest of the country. That was our compromise and that was the Dem’s choice, not ours.
Don’t forget, voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.
Yeah. But when the lesser of two evils wins, there is less evil.
You know what doesn’t happen when you abstain? Less evil.
The goal is and always should be less evil.
Less evil for whom? The Arabs who lost family and friends to this war? Once you cross the threshold of genocide, does it even matter anymore? From an Arab’s perspective, it’s like asking what is worse, the Tasmanian genocide (which killed every full-blooded Tasmanian by 1876) or the Armenian genocide? What does it matter when both were literally the most evil you can get?
I don’t fault American women/minorities for voting in their self interest. Abortion and queer rights was an issue for many people and they voted in for their rights. That’s a fault of the state. But when you lose family, friends, neighbours and country to a genocide, what does it matter? Family is the most important, after food and water. Death of family is extremely traumatic. And then telling those grieving people to go vote for a butcher against their own raging conscience and blaming them for Democrat incompetence is just evil. You voted for your self interest. They for theirs.
Genocide isn’t less evil. They are exactly the same
less evil is still evil
I’m going to go ahead and add to this, if you are willing cast aside progress in the name of perfection, you will never make it to either one.
If you’re waiting for your dream candidate to come by, you’re waiting a very long time. Your vote should be to minimize pain and suffering for the largest amount of people possible. You cannot in good conscience say that a vote for Trump is that, and when it’s down to two people, you’ve just gotta do your best.
This species functions best from community, we are a social species and our success depends on how we treat each other. Even if you are the most selfish person on the planet, it’s imperative that you vote for most people’s best interest because you will gain the most from it.
this form of propaganda is a false framing of reality to encourge people to vote with the seemingly “less evil” option while ignoring it’s consequences down the road and is a trap that will only present you with “less evil” options each and every time until the ultimate evil is reached anyways, like it has for the gazans.
no one believes that trump is any less evil about any democrat and only people who have swallowed this propaganda believe that any imperialist is good for this or any genocide.
Has there been progress in the US since way back in Reagan’s time?!
Because at so many levels, from inequality and the collapse of social mobility to widespread civil society surveillance and support for Genocide abroad, the US has been constantly regressing for decades both under Democrats and Republicans.
I mean, the last actual American President passing measures that one could call “progress” was JFK. Even Obama was the President that ordered the highest number of drone murders whilst in office of all and decided that the way to save the economy after the 2008 Crash was to protect asset owners and large financial institutions - the rich, not the rest - resulting in the steep increase in social inequality and final collapse of social mobility in the US of the last decade, and which created the fertile ground for the growth of support for the likes of Trump.
From my viewpoint as an European, you’re just defending a slower regression, which is understandable but it ain’t “progress” (last chance at that was Bernie Sanders and his primary was very overtly torpedoed by the DNC), and it’s also understandable that others with strong moral convictions and even personal reasons connected to America’s continued descent into evil aren’t supporting any evil in America, even the “lesser” one that slows down the regression a bit.
You would have been absolutelly right if this election was indeed progress vs regression, but it wasn’t, it was one Genocide-endorsing candidate who chose to try to attract far-right votes by getting cozier with the likes of the Cheney family versus a Genocide-endorsing candidate who is openly a far-right populist - two forms of evil differing mainly in delivery style and how fast do they want to go rightward - you blaming people for chosing “none of the above” is pure tribalism.
Yes, but there’s less of it, which is an absolutely not debatable good thing comparatively.
whether there’s less or more of it matters significantly less than whether it’s let inside a cracked door where it WILL metastasize, as evidenced by this genocide and a multitude of others.
people like you would probably be saying how Trump would have fucked it up so hard that there’d have been no choice but to ceasefire or some such dumb ass mental gymnastics
I sincerely doubt it.
Hey, your country might be actively burning, but at least you can get some happiness from the fact that that people who didn’t vote with you (they didn’t vote against you either, but that’s not perfect enough) are dying, even though your leadership explicitly kicked them out of your party.
STFU
It’s so disgusting to watch libs brigade these threads victim blaming while claiming that their party that was actively facilitating the genocide has some moral superiority.
The “I’m not pro-genocide I just seem to post in every thread about the situation getting worse to gloat” crowd are a wild bunch
Seriously, genocide is the lowest bar ever to clear and yet Dems somehow managed to limbo their way under it.
And now they’re pointing the finger at everything but themselves for their election loss, as if it’s not their job to run candidates that are actually… electable.
it’s especially galling when democrats themselves were the one to cause election loss; but democrats proclaim it’s the leftists that caused it.
Right. Leftists are simultaneously so irrelevant as to be not worth embracing and so numerous as to cause the loss of every election. It’s like the Dem version of “lazy migrants stealing all our jobs” cognitive dissonance.
“Enemy is both strong and weak” is the classic fascist rhetorics, plus those fascists jumped right in interesting implication of both treating leftists and muslims as enemy and somehow feeling entitled to their votes.
@yogthos it’s really infuriating
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Anyone with a lick of common sense knew how this was going to go under Trump. At least had the slightest chance to be different under Harris…
He literally was calling Biden a “very bad Palestinian” during their debate as if it was an insult…
There was no chance that it was going to be different under Harris, and people who keep repeating this are the worst kinds of trolls.
Yeah, keep telling yourself that if it makes ya feel better. Wonder if you will still think that once Trump builds a golf course there for him and buddy Netanyahu
you actually expected people whose relatives are being bombed with American munitions, to vote for the ‘most lethal military in the world’ candidate?
You liberals are really something. But you’re here blaming Muslims for not voting. In America. You don’t seem very smart, so maybe the history of Muslims and America is lost on you.
Again: You want the victims of the American military, to turn around and vote for ‘the most lethal military in the world candidate? No wonder America is where it is today. People like you.
Trump says all the same shit and worse, so I don’t get why you’re going on about that. The whole deal with that was to try to get some of the non-crazy conservatives to vote for her as a last ditch effort on a short-run campaign. It was all about appealing to conservatives that weren’t fully on board with Trump.
American Muslims got what they voted for. You reap what you sow. I know plenty enough to realize one wasn’t as bad as the other.
Actions seem to speak louder than words here. He OK’d the attacks last night. Hope Trump reigns it in but anyone that knows anything about his psycho ass knows he is just getting started
Edit: should also mention, he’s already started deporting pro-Palestine protestors here in the US…
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I’m not the one trying to make myself feel better. I don’t even live in yankeestan. It’s the liberals like you who keep pretending that the genocidal party you support who are doing the coping here. You don’t have any moral superiority. The only difference is that Trump isn’t making any excuses and hand wringing regarding the atrocities he commits, while you do mental gymnastics to justify doing the same thing. It’s pathetic beyond belief.
Well in that case I’ll just sit back and not give a shit lol. Let Trump level that place
Ain’t gonna affect me anyways so why bother, right?
that’s the liberal spirit
He’s not necessarily wrong. Muslims at least in Michigan voted exactly for this when they helped elect Trump.
the different diasporas in the US are highly likely to be reactionaries and hate their places of origin, these are american citizens after all.
They voted for the candidate that promised peace and wasn’t actively doing genocide. Trump lied when he promised peace, clearly, but grave dancing because voters were tricked is vile.
We should be agitating them to action instead.
Trump is a fascist liar. That’s a well-known fact way before the first time he was elected. There’s no excuse for having voted for him in the first place. Anyone who did so is a fucking idiot who’s only going to make the misery spread far beyond Gaza now.
Biden is another fascist liar. That is also a well-known fact.
And while you’re scolding voters for being idiots, the fascist is consolidating power.
We need to work together, not bicker over a mistake people made months ago. Especially since voting might not matter anymore.
Anyone that realistically thought Trump would help Palestine is a moron. Netanyahu is the person who is leading what is going on in Palestine and has applauded Trump on numerous occasions. It also wasn’t just Biden Congress was the one giving weapons to Israel and they have voting records.
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024217 what do you know almost all republicans
Trump has always been a liar, this is not an excuse.
