I do not possess a dick but this post made me rock hard. Like, mentally. Gave me a raging brainer.
My friend Jenn refers to this as “having a wide-on.”
Gave me a raging brainer.
I am stealing this. This mine now.
i think that’s called an aneurysm…
No Gods No Masters
Considering America just became a fascist state, I vote tankies be allowed to post if they have actual tanks they’re willing to donate to the radical militias we’ve obviously all joined.
they will of course be kicked out of the tanks once we’ve entered them
The last time we had a post like this it was filled with a bunch of sealioning from tankies (authoritarian socialists). Be aware that we will be banning any such behavior.
common 196 W
thank you for preserving this important history in our minds!
What is sealioning?
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Not sure why, but that happens in a lot of threads. Most threads I see all comments have at least one downvote lol
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It’s such a weird thing. Stalinism is clearly facism. It almost seems like it’s impossible due to the facists fighting themselves
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And here the rest of us are trying to be as eloquent and articulate as possible, and yet you said it better than any of us ever could.
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Fuck Tankies, Fuck Conservatives.
Fuck everyone who tries to maintain or implement hierarchies.
Anarchy Baby!
Conservatives want you to carry on working for them. Talkies just want to change who you work for. Both can get fucked.
Fuck stateism.
Hierarchies seem like an important structure to have in society.
Yes. Without them there is no justification for inequality. So to the people in power, they are very important.
But incase you genuinely believe that social order is impossible without hierarchies, you should probably read up on stateless societies, communal decision making, and anarchism.
If the goal of society is to put equality above all else then i take your point.
I think horizontal hierarchies are generally better in an organization in terms of motivating people to contribute and give them a sense of equity.
But idk how you avoid the fact that people do have bad ideas, or well intentioned ideas that could start a cascade of delays in project planning for example. People focusing on the excellence at different levels of work is important right? But having a chain of command to maintain vision, timelines, budgets, stakeholders seems to depend on hierarchy.
I think the main rebuttal to that argument is what stops that from happening in a hierarchy? If anything having one makes that more likely, since someone in charge can have a bad idea and no one below them has any real power to stop it. There’s a reason “incompetent boss/manager” is such a common trope. Having a horizontal structure where consensus is prioritized actually helps prevent those sorts of issues, since people who are the most knowledgeable and involved in the process are the ones making those decisions. It’s why group brainstorming sessions are so common, bouncing ideas off of other people involved in a project is extremely useful to help filter or improve bad ideas and build on good ones. Horizontal groups are sort of the natural state that you fall into when collaborating with people when there isn’t an existing rigidly enforced hierarchy between the members.
They seem to depend on hierarchies but there are decision making processes that do not depend on hierarchies even tho they might resemble them on first glance. You can have a council that makes decisions on a consensual basis, sends revocable delegates to upper level councils. This might seem like representatives as in modern parliaments but the revocable part is important. If they can be called back at any point and the position is temporal from the start, this changes everything. Also decisions should be on the lowest possible level and everything must be voluntary.
a council
delegates
upper level councils
Just confirming, this is a hierarchy. Certainly in your comment a better designed hierarchy, but still a hierarchy
“…Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism’s in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, “I don’t believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me.” Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I’d still have to bum rides off people.”
Plenty of good isms out there!
What cartoon is that gal from? Seems recognizeable, but can’t remember where I’ve seen it before
Looks like Veronica from Archie.
Even if they post before they leave?
Yea, if they tankies. Like facists they support authoritarianism. They are named so for their support of sending tanks against civilllians.
New here, what’s a tankie?
Anyone with .ml after the @ in their name.
But seriously, Russia, China and North Korea’s apologists.
Communist apologists. Nicknamed “tankies” because many would deny/defend things like the Tiananmen Square Massacre, the Hungarian revolt of 1956, Czechoslovakian revolt of 1968, etc… Instances where authorities rolled tanks into town to deal with revolts, which caused images like this:
For a long time, communism’s first response to revolution seemed to be “send in the tanks to deal with it”, thus the nickname “tankies” for people who defended the practice. Lemmy has a lot of communist undertones. It sort of goes hand-in-hand with the “anyone can spin up their own instance and be their own admin” philosophy. The .ml instances are meant to stand for “Maoist/Leninist” so you’ll see a lot of tankies from those .ml instances… But some of the most prominent Lemmy devs use .ml as their home instance, so many instances are hesitant to defederate from them entirely.
It also means there are lots of disagreements about what “real” communism is. Discussions which would get buried on right-leaning (compared to communism) platforms like Meta or Reddit are up front and center on Lemmy. So you’ll see the word thrown around a lot here, especially compared to anywhere else. Because the only thing that causes more arguments than “left vs right” is “moderate left vs far left”.
Most of the leftists and communists at least recognize the evils that communism has enabled in the past. But you’ll inevitably get tankies with the “akshually it wasn’t communism’s fault, it was the individuals” every time anything slightly anti-communist gets brought up.
It would be more accurate to describe them as authoritarian communists, as opposed to the more liberal communist/socialist positions many people on here tend to hold.
Equating communism with the authoritarian dictatorships that called themselves that does a disservice to both the people living under them and everybody else that thinks late-stage-capitalism might not be that great either.
Maoist/Leninist
Marxist/Leninist
It should stand in contrast to Maoist communism, but tankies don’t care much for the distinction and will support the worst abuses of the Chinese government.
But the character is punching
And the other character isn’t a tankie.
Effectively there’s no difference between tankies and MAGA
If anyone wants to argue. Both want an oppressive rule that brings about very great gains to the society. Certain parts are eradicated.
All in the name of greater good.
More importantly, oppression magically skips over them.
Yes, that is fascism. Funny you ask.
Hey whats a tankie
In case you’re asking out of good faith curiosity:
Tankie is a pejorative (and rightfully so) term for a particular brand of communist/socialist. It’s worth noting that I have nothing against communists or communism in general (even though I don’t agree with it as a political system). A tankie is someone whose standpoint is that communism can do no wrong; anything that went wrong in USSR and China is CIA’s fault, and the Czechs, Hungarians, and Tibetans had it coming.
Oh, and to any tankies who are reading this and are tempted to engage in sealioning, don’t bother - I don’t care and probably won’t respond. Plus there’s a pretty good chance you’re already on my block list. Call me fascist if you will (I’vebeen called worse things), but at least tell me a definition of fascism that doesn’t also encompass todays China and Russia
Basically, it’s a label applied to people of a communist persuasion who have given up on any form of critical thinking, and just defaults to “America bad, therefore anything opposing it must be good”. Yes, America bad indeed. But that doesn’t automatically Pol Pot, Kim Young Un, and Stalin are good.
Also, don’t be surprised if this comment is downvoted to oblivion after someone links it on hexbear or lemmygrad. It’s quite telling that comments like this are usually attacked based on syntax rather than substance, while refusing to actually explain what happened at Tianmen Square or during the Holodomor, without citing russian or Chinese propaganda.
Also, the name is a reference to communist countries sending tanks against civilians, RE: Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, and Tianmen Square 1989
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So they are people who want to violently or otherwise enforce their ideal view of some flavor of communism on the rest of the world? And they try to realize this by organizing and radicalizing people on social media?
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I’ll just add one more detail that hasn’t already been said. Although they profess to be left-wing communists, tankies will defend countries like 21st century Russia in its invasion of Ukraine, despite Russia not even pretending to be communist, and in fact being the very worst that crony capitalism has to offer.
Tankies in reality, at least on Lemmy, seem to position themselves primarily as anti-America and anti anything America supports, rather than being for any specific policies associated with communism.
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So a narcissist?
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okay but tankies aren’t white supremacists and that guy is wearing a screwdriver shirt
Tankies defend things like russian organised genocide during soviet union where they kept doing what hitler tried.
So just like skinheads they are all for human suffering. Arguing over semantics at this point.
I see the horseshoe theory has spread far and wide.
Because tankies are just red facists~
When that’s your best defense. You’ve already lost.
I live in Northern Europe, so I’m watching the fight and laughing my ass off.
That only makes your argument weaker
lol
Keep licking that boot. My mother’s side of the family was attacked and killed by a horde of Nazis and leninists. That’s right they were working together. Because after all why wouldn’t authoritarians work together when their interests align. And my father’s side of the family had genocide committed against it by the us government. All authoritarian governments whether they are Western or Eastern are bad. And the fact that this is your best answer pathetic. But completely expected and on brand. Never change.
It’s an edit
As far as centrists are concerned, everyone to the left of Netanyahu is a tankie, and everyone to their left is somehow all the way to the right.
Maybe, but most Blåhaj or 196 users are far from being centrists.
In my experience, “tankie” is used in virtually all cases as a pejorative against the left, and not an identifier for actual tankies.
Making excuses for Russia or China’s ongoing crimes, and using the US’ crimes as a reason(?!?) for doing so, is usually what brings the term out.
Probably depends on where you hang out most.
Other than the hand tool or the beverage what doss screw driver mean in this context?
punk band notorious for being neo nazis
Also notorious for not making that clear until the second album.
first album was a different singer i believe, who had nothing to do with nazism
Well, skinheads aren’t welcome here either I’m hoping. But I had the same reaction as you.
please don’t give the term skinheads to the fascists. nazi punks fuck off ✌️
I know skinheads were originally a workers movement. But here in the states skinheads were white supremacists by the time they got imported. I’m from Dallas, Texas where skinheads were always Nazis and a big problem.
Up with workers, fuck off to Nazis.
But there are lots of folks here who aren’t American? The vast majority of skinheads I’ve met irl here in Australia have been anti-fascist as heck. It’s just not as clear-cut as tankies.
On the west coast you’re right, on the east coast you’re wrong. -an East Coast skinhead that had interesting experiences in Orange county and Compton while on vacation
“Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice was founded in 1987 by Marcus, a skinhead from New York City. It emerged as a response by suburban adolescents to the bigotry of the growing White Power Movement in 1982. Traditional skinheads (Trads) formed as a way to show that the skinhead subculture was not based on racism and political extremism.”
That one person with the Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice pfp seems alright
Idk, have we got their official position on the Hungarian Revolt of 1956? Have they denounced Che Guevera and the Cuban Revolution in all its forms? Do they agree that China isn’t a real country, it’s territory should be liberated from the oppressive CCP, and the government should be broken up into a constellation of micro-states?
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
