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Bernie on the right side of history as usual
If Hillary’s primary team hasn’t taken over the DNC, we’d be coming out of term 2 of Bernie with one of the most progressive Supreme Courts in modern history…
Like just stop for a second and think about how much shit would be different if we took the slam dunk of Bernie against trump in 2016, instead of trying to cram Hillary Clinton down America’s throats.
We were this fucking close to a functional society
But instead the corporate side of the party would rather lose an election and blame Sanders and the Greens for losing. Same thing in 2000. Nader gave Gore a list of policies and said he’d drop out and endorse him if he just promised to implement just 2 of those policies. Instead of doing that, he chose to lose, and then 9/11 and the Iraq war happened, setting off an unprecedented loss of civil liberties and law enforcement abuses under Bush (and I would still say that Bush Jr was probably worse than Trump in terms of body counts and terrible policies that are still in place).
He would rather be on the left side though.
If there is one thing you can accuse Bernie of, it is definitely not being a good human.
Can you elaborate that?
Think you’re missing a “nt” or have an extra “not” there…
Edit: don’t worry too much about it, happens to the best of us 😁
Weak troll bait. Great job refusing to elaborate
Great job refusing to elaborate
Some people aren’t on Lemmy 24/7 and can take a while to respond.
There’s an alternate timeline where Bernie won in 2016 and restored the middle class in America. Living wages, affordable housing, affordable everything, universal healthcare, and a common sense foreign policy.
I’m not saying he’s perfect. He would have made mistakes. But he would have been the best president since FDR.
There’s an alternate timeline where he wins and can’t get anything through because there aren’t enough progressive Dems in the senate.
Or where upon it seems he’ll be blocked, he goes individually to each of the blocking members states or districts, and campaigns his ideas directly to those who will be most affected, both upsetting precedent and dra international attention to individuals blocking the legislation.
You act like there wasn’t a plan. I assure you , there was a plan.
So the same as if any other Democrat won but unlike the other Democrats, at least he would have still tried?
And yet it’s a better timeline than what happened when Clinton was too bad at being a politician to beat Trump.
Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect. Even the die-hards would eventually be asking themselves if it is in fact reasonable that corporations are assfucking each and every one of us every single day. Some of them would vote in a more progressive representative.
Would he get everything passed? Absolutely not. But he would get some good stuff through.
Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect.
How did that work out for Jimmy Carter?
It worked out pretty well for Carter’s policies, even if he only got one term. Carter ran openly as a centrist, and his fiscal conservatism was very popular. The left-ish wing of the Democratic party started an “Anybody But Carter” campaign during the primaries for exactly that reason. Lots of policies he advocated for got passed during his presidency: he deregulated the airlines, the trucking industry, railroads, banking - and that was a great trial run for Reagan’s followups (and Bush, and Clinton, and W).
But Carter was both too conservative and wildly incompetent for the job. With somewhat liberal Dems having the majority in both houses and universal health care being a big issue at the time, and with Ted Kennedy as majority leader trying to push it through, Carter still opposed it on the basis of cost. Of course it died, as did any other progressive or even moderately liberal ideas that cost money.
What I’m saying is fuck Carter. He’s done a great job rehabbing his image but he was a bad president his presidency is rightfully maligned by both the right and the left. But he got a lot of policies through that he liked.
If i remember right, he said if he won he would go to places like WV and hold rallies demanding senators help his agenda or he’d back their primary challengers. That’s the kind of guts I’d like to have seen
Bernie should have been president.
It’s not a ‘sale’. It’s a handout to the welfare apartheid state, while Americans are wondering why their roads are falling apart, their education sucks and no universal health care.
Tell that to the arms companies that are supplying about 5 bil worth of stuff for 20 bil of taxpayer’s money
It is a sale. US policy now is get the hell away from the Middle East. If Israel wants to fight, we can sell them weapons, but we won’t be sending our soldiers to fight their wars. This is why we also pushing so hard for EVs.
As for roads and education that’s actually covered local government and local taxes.
The reason we don’t have universal healthcare is because Republicans consistently block it (they even trying over and over remove ACA). Universal healthcare not only wouldn’t cost us more it would actually be cheaper to what we have right now.
Thank you Bernie for having both sense and moral courage. I mean it’ll fail to pass because almost everyone else are bastards, but thank you anyway.
I think it helps to force a vote on unpopular things they might not otherwise admit.
I like taxes. I want them to fund things in my community. I don’t want them paying for the deaths of an entire people.
It’s an arms sale.
…using the $4 billion per year we give them on the condition they use it to buy weapons from us. Sooo…
This guy has a consistent habit of being on the right side of history.
Give it all to Ukraine instead.
Fuck Israel. Fuck putin.
Antisemitimoskovite!
I see this differently. For decades US was involved in the Middle East. Trying to preserve peace and of course get the sweet sweet oil. As we know it failed. Peace isn’t easy when the fighting sides’ goal is to wipe out each other.
US decided that enough is enough, and is very open saying that it wants or of it. It pushes EVs and so is EU.
Bibi is trying to start a war in the region, hoping that it will force US to get into yet another war. US is not taking the bait and its position is that if Israel wants a war, we can sell them weapons, but they are on their own.
This is contrast to trump who openly advocates to get our soldiers involved to help Israel.
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“I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.”
That’s not the same as “I will help Israel with reaching their goals”. It is clear that what she was saying is that if Iran or Iran-backed proxies attack US military they will get a “proportionate” response.
Lets go Bernieee
The Jew Bernie Sanders is ANTISEMITIC!
Bernie is a national treasure. His qualities as a politician and as a human being are going be recognized by the generations to come.
The ethical compass of Congress.
Hey isnt that the money for Ukraine ?!
Aipac fuming
It won’t work, but bless his actual heart for trying.
I wish Bernie would weaponize the filibuster the way Rand Paul does to block these things. I’m glad his heart is in the right place and I’m glad he does these things, but he doesn’t want to play dirty and it’s 2024, you need to play dirty when they’re willing to.
My dude, Bernie did a 8.5 hour filibuster and was coherent and on point the whole time, no phone book reading https://youtu.be/pm6qy_9E0rY
That’s sort of my point…
You don’t need to do that to filibuster anymore. And Rand Paul doesn’t.
