That’s why I’m proud to be also programming in HTML
it’s only real programming if you also use CSS
It’s only real gatekeeping if you have a physical gate
“Engineering”
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They’re not engineers and they’re too chicken shit to act like engineers.
Yeah, well, like most software engineers lol
Looks like an ai did that
That’s the joke.
HATERS will say it’s fake
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“prompt engineering” in itself is such an embarrassing term for the act of saying “computer uhhh show me epic boobies!!”
like that joke about calling dishwashing “submerged porcelain technician” but unironically
It’s not engineering either. Or art. It’s only barely writing, in an overly literal sense.
mm yes ai
But is “prompt hacking” considered actual “hacking?”
I also can make up words.
hörgenmal
Bro if you could get there just by prompting, it would be.
There are no models good enough to just ask for something to be done and it gets done.
There will be someday though.
Build an entire ecosystem, with multiple frontends, apps, databases, admin portals. It needs to work with my industry. Make it run cheap on the cloud. Also make sure it’s pretty.
The prompts are getting so large we may need to make some sort of… Structured language to pipe into… a device that would… compile it all…
People in glass houses…
Software engineering isn’t engineering.
Yes, it is. Mostly because “real engineering” isn’t the high bar it’s made out to be. From that blog:
Nobody I read in these arguments, not one single person, ever worked as a “real” engineer. At best they had some classical training in the classroom, but we all know that looks nothing like reality. Nobody in this debate had anything more than stereotypes to work with. The difference between the engineering in our heads and in reality has been noticed by others before, most visibly by Glenn Vanderburg. He read books on engineering to figure out the difference. But I wanted to go further.
Software has developed in an area where the cost of failure is relatively low. We might make million dollar mistakes, but it’s not likely anybody dies from it. In areas where somebody could die from bad software, techniques like formal verification come into play. Those tend to make everything take 10 times longer, and there’s no compelling reason for the industry at large to do that.
If anything, we should lean into this as an advantage. How fast can we make the cycle of change to deployment?
I help make Healthcare software. Mistakes can easily lead to death. Not most, but it’s something we always have to worry about.
Looks like every Christmas I’ve ever had…
j/k, or am I?
No I am… but am I really? :-P
Made by someone who doesn’t utilize LLMs effectively
Sounds like someone’s worried about how easily replaced they’ll be in the future…
You sound like a class traitor
Realist, maybe. Often a pessimist. Never really a class traitor. Besides, I’m more blue collar than white collar, so I’ve never gotten the luxury of working from home at a higher pay, so as far as being the same class…in the sense of rich vs everyone else, sure.
Your snide comment just seemed a bit too glee about people about to lose their job. Or at least: lacking in solidarity with them.
Forget the distinction between blue and white collar, or higher and lower income: these aren’t classes and the distinction onlyserves toseparateus in class struggle. I meant the “wage dependant class here”.
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Yeah, writing prompts it’s the long term goal, programming will be obsolete.
Nobody that can write a problem in a structured language, taking edge cases into account, will be able to write a prompt for a LLM.
Prompt writers will be the useful professionals, because NO big tech company is trying to make it obsolete making AI ubiquitous and transparent, aiming it to work for natural language requests made by normal users or simply from context clues. /s
Prompt engineering it’s the griftiest side of the latest AI summer. Look a who is selling the courses. The same people that sold crypto courses, metaverse courses, Amazon dropship store courses…
You sound like you think prompt writer is an actual job man chill out doesn’t even exist
Looks like someone is excited about shit content pumped out as fast as computers can munge shit to spit
Nah, that’s going to blow, and I was talking about just that several months ago. The internet is going to be completely fucked, now. It has a nice little run of the golden years from like 1995 through about 2012. Decade after that was all downhill and the last year or so gas been a dumpster fire that’s still getting bigger.
Sounds like science fiction. No proof that it’s useful right now except copy pasta from StackOverflow.
Using an IDE isn’t programming either
But I’ll definitely prefer hiring someone who does. Sure, you can code in Vi without plugins, but why? Leave your elitism at home. We have deadlines and money to make.
Edit: The discussions I’ve had about AI here on Lemmy and Hackernews have seriously made me consider asking whether or not the candidate uses AI tools as an interview question, with the only correct answer a variation of “Yes I do”.
Boomer seniors scared of new tools is why Oracle is still around. I don’t want any of those on my team.
AI’s not bad, it just doesn’t save me time. For quick, simple things, I can do it myself faster than the AI. For more big, complex tasks, I find myself rigorously checking the AI’s code to make sure no new bugs or vulnerabilities are introduced. Instead of reviewing that code, I’d rather just write it myself and have the confidence that there are no glaring issues. Beyond more intelligent autocomplete, I don’t really have much of a need for AI when I program.
This is how I use it, and it’s a great way for me to speed up. It’s a rubber duck for me. I have a fake conversation, it gives me different ideas or approaches to solve a problem. It does amazing with that
The code it spits out is something else though. The code it’s trained on in GitHub means it could be based on someone with 2 months experience writing their CS201 program, or a seasoned experienced engineer. I’ve found it faster to get the gist of what it’s saying, then rewrite it to fit my application.
Not even mentioning the about 50% chance response of “hey why don’t you use this miracle function that does exactly what you need” and then you realize that the miracle function doesn’t exist, and it just made it up.
Using an IDE definety IS programming.
Sure, you can code in Vi without plugins, but why? Leave your elitism at home. We have deadlines and money to make.
Nothing elitist about it. Vim is not a modular tool that I can swap out of my mental model. Before someone says it, I’ve tried VS Code’s vim plugin, and it sucks ass.
Wdym? Vim is in every ide and notepad man
Certain shortcut keys in vim conflict with shortcut keys in the IDE. The flow doesn’t work the same.
I don’t understand how you think you will convince anyone that you can’t use vim, when so many do that without problems
Please avoid double negatives. I’m not quite sure of the meaning of your sentence.
If you’re saying I have issues using vim if I can’t use it in an IDE, no, that’s not how it works. If you use simple vim (not much more than knowing how to get in and out of edit/visual mode, and use hjkl for navigation), then it’s fine. Once you get into more advanced vim features, though, the key presses in vim get picked up by the IDE first, so IDE shortcuts take precedence.
If someone were to learn vim inside an IDE and develops it organically as part of their flow, it’d be fine. If you already have a lot of standalone vim flow setup in your mind, it’s a problem.
