• Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    it’s moments like these where i’m astounded that i can regularly wake up and go about my day in this society like it isn’t the most damnable nation to ever stain this earth

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      I’ve been coping by telling myself that this is just the Biblical nation of Sodom, and that one day very soon, I will get to watch the fireballs land.

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      Yeah but Fentanyl od would probably be good for the executed Person but jarring for the executioner and their families. And over time we learned that execution methods only need to Look good to the executioner so they can do it indefinitely instead of abolishing the death Penalty

  • WIIHAPPYFEW [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    looking for a new execution method

    ask the executioners if their method is fast enough to not think about or agonizing suffering

    they dont understand

    pull out illustrated diagram explaining what is fast enough to not think about and what is agonizing suffering

    they laugh and say “it’s a humane execution method sir”

    use execution method

    its agonizing suffering

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Don’t have a death penalty but if you do, just blast them full of fucking morphine. Like, we have how to go put feeling pretty absolutelynfucking down. Like, when it’s my time, if I have the ability to do so and am dying anyway I wanna make fucking sure it’d from an opiate overdose. If you’re gonna exit, it’s probably the best way to go. Death sucks but going out not only painlessly but on a high note brainwiaw seems nice and I know frome experience having my blood replaced with morphine is the a guarantee of that

    • Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      The definition of a “humane” death for these ghouls isn’t “kills quickly and painlessly” it’s “looks like it does to observers”. Obviously the most humane way of killing someone is hitting them with a 200 ton block of stone accelerated to well above terminal velocity. But no one wants to clean up the mess.

      Giving someone a morphine overdose might cause the person to throw up and that’s gooey so it wont be done.

    • soiejo [he/him,any]@hexbear.net
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      As someone else posted itt, the problem is that the people involved in executions are not doctors and many times mess up injecting anesthesiacs.

      • Guilt.

        The button that activates these execution methods - lethal injection, electric chairs, etc - are not placed so the executioner can see or hear the event. It’s abstracted to a single switch

        In firing squad executions, it became common to randomly assign only a couple weapons with live cartridges, the rest with blanks, because it turns out to be very difficult to look at a human being and fire, and the possibility of one having a blank round meant they could walk away and tell themselves their gun just went click

        These days though, with how frothing chuds are, I’m sure you’d find volunteers, which is fucking grim

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          Funnily enough america and Nazi Germany encountered similar situations where they figure out people have a hard time shooting other people and switch to “cleaner” methods of murder. Nazi Germany was on a larger scale, but the same logic had the Holocaust evolve from machine gunning people to the gas chambers. Now america has their own gas chambers.

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        In a weird way, our fucked up execution methods were an attempt by past progressives to make executions less gratuitous, and every single thing we’ve come up with in order to do that has been worse (from a “causing unnecessary pain” standpoint) than firing squads and guillotines.

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    I decided to look into the previous execution and I am now fully sadness-abysmal

    Copied from Wikipedia:

    CW for horrific violence

    Despite the fact that Smith had a motion to stay his execution pending before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, at 7:45 p.m. on November 17, 2022, a lawyer for the Alabama Department of Corrections emailed Smith’s lawyers to let them know they were preparing him for execution.[13] Smith spoke with his wife, and at 7:57 p.m. prison guards ended his phone call with her.[13] Smith was handcuffed and shackled and taken to the execution chamber.[13] Two minutes later, at 7:59 p.m. the Eleventh Circuit issued a stay of execution, which Smith’s lawyers immediately provided to the Alabama Department of Corrections.[13]

    The Department of Corrections replied that they had received notice of the stay, but did not inform Smith or allow him to speak with his lawyers, instead keeping him strapped to a gurney in the execution chamber.[13] At 10:00 p.m. the execution team entered and attempted to place an IV into Smith’s arm. At approximately 10:20 p.m. the United States Supreme Court lifted the Eleventh Circuit’s stay of execution. Smith told a member of the execution team that they were inserting the needle into his muscle, but the team member told him that was not true.[13] The team then moved Smith into an inverted crucifixion position and left the room, returning after a few minutes to inject him with an unknown substance, despite Smith’s objection.[13] Another individual began repeatedly stabbing Smith’s collarbone with a needle, attempting to place a central IV line.[13] The results were unsuccessful and at approximately 11:20 p.m. Smith’s execution was called off.[13] Smith was unable to walk or lift his arms on his own, and was sweating and hyperventilating.[13] This marked the third consecutive botched execution by the state of Alabama.[13]

    • CloutAtlas [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      The Fr*nch invented a perfectly humane and reusable execution method for their royals and Americans keep inventing shittier, more expensive and inhumane methods of execution so some private company that harvests nitrogen or makes lethal injection chemicals can make a buck

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    The most humane method of execution that humanity has ever developed is still just a bullet to the head. People in this stupid fucking turd of a country are unfortunately too bloodthirsty to give up on execution, but also too squeamish to do it the honest and correct way.

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    (CW: Discussion of self harm and the description of the execution)

    Something seems wrong here. What nitrogen does is replace the oxygen and CO2 in your lungs. Our self preservation instinct doesn’t actually respond to a lack of oxygen, but a build-up of CO2. Because of that, nothing is felt when it’s all replaced by an inert gas (which, being inert, doesn’t do anything to your body directly). It’s actually a popularly recommended method among euthanasia advocates and as far as I can tell is the quickest, most painless, most peaceful way to (CW) commit suicide. If I eventually do it, it’s probably going to be with that method, but with Helium since it’s much easier to get.

    With all that said, nitrogen shouldn’t cause the reactions described, so I have no idea how they happened. My best guess is that it was his last (purposeful, not instinctive) attempt at saving himself. Which seems like it would be present in every method where they’re conscious at the start. But that doesn’t fully match with the “spasms and seizure-like movements”.

    Regardless, while it’s probably the best method for someone who wants to die, clearly it doesn’t seem great for executions. Of course executions aren’t great in the first place, but one where the person is at least quickly anesthetized might be the least inhumane.

    Edit: maybe he wasn’t thrashing purposefully, but rather tried to hold his breath (or both), which meant the nitrogen didn’t quickly replace the CO2, so he experienced the typical form of asphyxiation before the nitrogen could do anything. That would explain the deep gasping breaths at the end, he couldn’t hold it any longer. That also explains why he was alive and moving for at least two minutes. Inert gas asphyxiation is supposed to be quicker than that afaik.

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        Definitely. They either need to find a way to prevent breath holding or just use some other method.

        Or just stop executing people, but we know that one isn’t going to happen any time soon.

        of course you would

        I think if it was me, and they explained how it worked and told me holding my breath would make it painful, I wouldn’t try to hold my breath. But I 100% understand and empathize with the reason most people would, meaning the method needs revision or not to be used.

        But unfortunately this is probably leading people to believe that inert gas asphyxiation is a violent painful event when it’s actually one of the most peaceful methods for those who want or accept it.

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          An important thing to note: This is your well reasoned decision, when you are not facing the imminent prospect of death.

          When you’re sitting in that chair, strapped down, the eyes of everyone in the gallery staring at you with hate (or even worse, bored disinterest), the guards busily preparing your murder around you, refusing eye contact, knowing that in a few minutes they’ll be carrying your cadaver to some unmarked grave, your heart racing, pounding in your ears, the murmur of medical devices, the beep beep beep of a heart monitor you know will soon be silent.

          Under these stressful conditions you might not be consciously able to breathe deeply, the lizard brain may take over to extend what little time it has on this Earth.

    • Sinistar [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      CW execution talk

      Of course executions aren’t great in the first place, but one where the person is at least quickly anesthetized might be the least inhumane.

      It’s fucked up but guillotines really are the best execution method invented from a pain standpoint. I guess nobody “really knows” but we’re pretty damn sure consciousness ends immediately - it’s because it looks really barbaric that we wanted to replace it with something “scientific” and clean, first the electric chair then lethal injection, both of which are known to potentially cause lots of unnecessary pain to their victims.

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        but we’re pretty damn sure consciousness ends immediately

        I thought the opposite was true, that heads have been observed to be alive for a couple seconds after.

        But yeah, anything involving mutilation or destruction of the head is just so uncomfortable to me.

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            CW description of animal testing on rats, dogs, and other animals

            I think a lot of accounts are exaggerated and/or mistake muscle contractions for consciousness. But the brain is intact and still has oxygen in it for a few seconds, so there’s no reason it should die instantaneously. The idea of a “head in a jar” or a head transplant does have some possibility to it, albeit very difficult and extremely likely to fail. But theoretically if you can reconnect the head to the relevant arteries or whatever in the few seconds before total oxygen deprivation and brain death, it could work.

            It’s a contentious topic, but there have been multiple studies indicating it could be true.

            The implication that severed heads may, however briefly, retain the capacity for life has been supported by a number of unusual experiments over the past century in the field of head transplantation. In 1908, Dr. Charles Guthrie performed the world’s first canine head transplant, in which he attached one dog’s head onto the throat of another dog, reconnecting arteries so that the host provided blood flow to the newly-attached head. Of note, this procedure took approximately 20 minutes, and while the transplanted head displayed some simple reflexes, it quickly deteriorated [10]. Dr. Vladimir Demikhov, one of the founders of modern thoracic surgery, repeated a similar experiment in 1954. The heads that he transplanted displayed complex behavior and survived for far longer, up to 29 days, likely because of the significantly shorter time they were without blood flow [10]. Dr. White took the field a step further in 1970 when he performed the first “cephalic exchange transplantation” in primates. Although this transplant involved cervical spine transection of the animals and thus continuous respiratory support, the two heads displayed a normal awake EEG pattern after the surgery [10]. In 2015, Dr. Ping Ren performed a similar experiment with mice, and in one notable example, was able to keep the animals alive for six months [10]. While the science-fiction trope of a "brain in a jar” is impossible for the time being, these experiments clearly demonstrate that the long-term survival of a transplanted head is quite possible. This, in addition to the 1975 [7] and 2013 [9] studies discussed above, suggests that there is no functional difference between the brain of an executed human and the brain of an intact human, for at least several seconds post-decapitation.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9930870

            (Emphasis mine)

            If a head can be transplanted as those studies indicate, it must be alive for at least a few seconds.

            The same paper gives arguments against the idea of retained consciousness (right under the section I quoted), but the studies mentioned in that section still seem to indicate about 3 seconds before unconsciousness in rats.

            Like I said above, from a logical perspective it makes sense. The brain is kind of the only thing that directly matters in regards to death. Every form of death besides direct damage to the brain is ultimately the brain dying because some system required to keep it alive failed. Since the brain isn’t damaged and still has oxygen in it, it should be alive for those few seconds before the oxygen runs out. I think direct and widespread destruction of the brain is probably the only way to truly guarantee near or effectively instantaneous death.

            continuing from the last block, but getting kind of off topic and into very dubious unscientific speculation on my part

            That’s possibly why destruction of the brain makes me more uncomfortable than other forms of death, immediate cessation of the self feels wrong, like the brain should be allowed to have a couple seconds to process the fact that it’s over.

            I’ve seen a (non-scientific) theory that the idea of “heaven” could actually be the brain releasing endorphins upon death to make those final moments blissful. If true (and again it’s a completely non-scientific theory with no real evidence to back it up afaik), I think everyone would deserve to experience that instead of dying immediately. It could explain some people who have near death experiences claiming to have seen heaven. But I don’t know if the short time the brain is alive is really enough for that theory to be true.

      • edge [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        I guess a potential “solution” (other than not executing people in the first place) could be to put the tube directly in their mouth in some way that they can’t remove it. It would probably be pretty uncomfortable, but not necessarily painful. But I guess it might appear a little brutal.

        And they might fight against having it put in their mouth, but that seems like a problem for literally any execution method.

        Edit: or just anesthetize them first. Is there a way to anesthetize that can’t be resisted with painful results?

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      In bad country, condemned criminals are dispatched by AA gun, unlike us enlightened countries where we slowly choke a man to death while they desperately try to hold on for a few more seconds of life.

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    Might as well just tie him to a weight and chuck him in a pool as doing this.

    It just seems so obviously cruel on it’s face, this outcome was always coming.

  • I don’t know how to say this, but it’s kind of awesome that by refusing to die he fucked up their attempts at a non-traumatic execution. Seems like he refused to die without a fight and that fucked up the method. Maybe we shouldn’t fucking execute people? Especially if we’re uncomfortable with them raging against it with all their might.