• GinAndJuche [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    It amuses me to no end how these losers are all about “retvrn” and “European roots”.

    Congrats guys, you never spiritually decolonized and now the last vestiges of your ancestral religions scare you.

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    If Christianity never destroyed almost all of the native traditions of white people maybe they wouldn’t be so angsty. Maybe under socialism Roman statue twitter guys will be reeducated to embrace the German tree worship of their ancestors.

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    They seem to only want to return to the shitty traditions that suck. None of the fun local dances or festivals, no cool local customs, just treating women like property and kicking out minorities. I don’t know how these guys can even support their own hypothetical future goals, they just sound a really boring world to live in.

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    This looks way fun I’d get in on that.

    If you want to make religion popular it being fun and bringing people together to do funny absurd shit is a good way to do it. Create community within atomised people.

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    Return to tradition guys have always been about selecting their favourite tropes from the past, seemingly without rhyme or reason. While I can’t speak to any individual’s beliefs and how they got there, the wider movement always chooses things that support currently existing power structures.

    It’s how you get Spartan worship while ignoring homosexuality etc

  • Xx_Aru_xX [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Title reminded me of when a random guy on reddit dm’ed me to join his “return to tradition” subreddit or someshit, so I sent a pic of me in a traditional Kabyle dress UwU

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Barely attested religious practices from thousands of years ago are not European religion. Christianity did not erase white people’s culture. Christianity did not colonize, imperialize, texturize, or homogenize Europe (excepting, very specifically, Lithuania). Homophobia is not Abrahamic - homosexuality as understood in modern culture and homophobia as understood in modern culture are both products of modern culture, with homophobia largely anchored in industrial revolution era notions of family, society, and patriarchy. Astrology is not “pagan”, it existed the whole time and was an integrated feature of Christian societies. There was never some authentic primal real spiritually and emotionally satisfying Paganism (trademark llc all rights reserved copyright disney corporation mmccxxvi) that everyone was happy with before christianty ruined everything. Human cultures - including law, religion, sexuality, gender, food - evolve, change, spread, and syncretize constantly. They only very, very rarely disapear when an entire people is extremely thoroughly wiped out, which almost never happens. Missionary imperialism as we conceive it was a 19th century project. The hacienda colonialism that the Spanish employed in the Americas was it’s own thing, with infuelnce on later religious imperialisms, that employed different theories and methods with different goalsm

    I cannot emphasize this enough; magic isn’t real, gods aren’t real, religion is stuff people believe that does not necessarily correlate to an observable external reality. Christians don’t do " pagan" stuff. They do christian stuff that in some cases was either adapted from the practices of other religion, or rose out of a syncretic (same “syn” as synthesis) mixing of religions and beliefs. Thoraboos all think Christianity came along and wrecked their sigma chad viking fascist whatever the fuck. Archeology suggests there was a long period where pre-christian northern european religious practices were practised alongside, and eventually merged with, christian practice.

    All of this stuff is changing all the time! The christmas tree isn’t some sacrificial wotan holiday log. It’s not even the same thing as the christmas tree from 20, 100, or 200 years ago. Culture changes all the time. Even when culture doesn’t seem to change that’s often superficial - the fabric might look the same from a distance, but the dyestufss used, the method by which the fabric was made and transported, the method of sewing, all kinds of things are changing and so people’s relation to their culture and the artifacts of their culture change, and in turn that culture and those artifacts change. There is never stasis. There are no ancestral traditions handed down unchanged through the centuries!

    We live in modern times, and so did our ancestors, all of our ancestors, all the way back to monke! As long as there has been writing we have records of anxiety about the rapid, sometimes overwhelming changes in cultures, norms, and traditions. Yes! Postmodernism, futureshock, alienation, all these things are real, and their distressing effects are intense in our lives! But these feelings are not unique to us! You can trace changes in fashion on the walls of ancient tombs! You can read concerns for the well being of the youth written with iron gall ink on ancient vellum! The world has never been still or static! We have always danced and sung and warred and wailed and changed! Always, always, there is change!

    • TraumaDumpling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      theres a difference between what happened in europe to pagans and what happened in later imperialism, but you are ignoring a lot of very real and very violent cultural repression on the part of christians in this post. like theres documents where they talk about how they are going to infiltrate and break up local power structures. they hunted down and murdered religious and political leaders of the pagans. if you posted this about, for example, native americans losing large parts of their culture and heritage, it would be understood by everyone to be cringe imperialist both-sidesing.

      ‘shut up about ur lost culture and genocided population! life is change! culture is change! move on and just accept whatever the current hegemony is, because everything changes!’

      • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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        why are ancient/medieval paganisms more important than the cultural innovations of the society after it was christian? why not the celtic paganism germans replaced in central europe? or the hunter-gatherer religions agricultural communities replaced?

        • The germans didn’t replace the celtic inhabitants of central europe, they WERE the celtic inhabitants of central europe. The tradition pictured on the article is an celtic tradition. Germanics in Central Europe had an hybrid culture with the celts they integrated, a lot of times the romans just put them into the wrong category and there are barely any other sources available, since the locals had an oral tradition (sound familiar doesn’t it?).

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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            “Celtic” is an extremely sketchy grouping that encompassed many languages and cultures over a long period of time. It’s just a big basket for a linguistic group and spreads across an enormous area.

            Modern laypeople make a lot more of “Celtic” culture than they should. There’s no meaningful connection between modern “Celtic” nations and the “Celts” running around in 0ad, not least because the “Celts” were a number of different linguistic and cultural groups, not a single culture. There’s some linguistic connections in Irish, Welsh, and Scots, but that’s it. AFAIK there isn’t even a really good consensus on what “Celtic” should mean. Like we’re literally basing all this on trends in 2,000+ year old pottery.

            And the funny costumes are not “Celtic”, that’s ridiculous. It’s modern people dressing in funny costumes and ascribing meaning to them based on the mythology created for 19th century romantic nation-state building projects. What is this, a Krampus festival or something? Krampus is only attested from the 1400s.

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              It goes right back to post-christianization cultural practices that have elements of folk Christianity and local flavor. Like the christmas tree, like any number of things. ReligionforBreakfast has some superb videos on this exact thing. He just did one on the christmas tree, and his one on Easter is fantastic at cutting through the BS.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW06pWHTeNk

              So many people want to put all their faith in Bede being honest and correct. It is absurd

              • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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                So many things are like this. We have 1 source for this 500 sq km region in the entire period from 324ad-545ad, so that source is definitely a smart informed correct guy and not just some shitposter.