• BaroqueInMind@kbin.social
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    I’m liberal and support trans/gay rights, woman’s body autonomy, social umbrellas for the poor and unhoused, legalization of recreational drugs, but I also like guns and desire all minorities who have no agency to own them, as well as support all wars against bullies because pacifism does nothing to stop them otherwise. Where do I stand? I guess I’ll go fuck myself then.

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      social umbrellas

      Treat the symptoms not the cause

      support all wars against bullies because pacifism does nothing to stop them otherwise.

      Simplify geopolitics into “bullies”, support the actions of NATO/US as though they’re not “bullies”

      Pretty much liberal yeah

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        Treat the symptoms not the cause

        I definitely prefer my symptoms being treated while waiting to get the cure

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        Treat the symptoms not the cause.

        You’ll find that almost all liberals also want to treat the cause, but they are blocked at every step by conservatives and centrists.

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        Treat the symptoms not the cause

        Treat both. They usually give you a painkiller while setting your bones.

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          Wait until they find out that there’s a ton of “we don’t know what the underlying cause is” and “we don’t have a cure for that yet” in medicine. In which case you have to do your best treating the symptoms – which is also true outside of the world of medicine.

          Sometimes a temporary fix buys you time to do it right. Sometimes a perfect or even “really good” solution isn’t feasible for myriad reasons: so you do the best with what you have.

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            It’s just such a stupid false dichotomy. Give the man the fish and teach him to fish. It’s a lot easier to learn on a full stomach.

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              You expect leftists to do anything but idly daydream about the day that a socialist revolution finally and magically falls into their laps?

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      I think that makes you a leftist who hasn’t yet realized that liberalism doesn’t want many of those things.

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          They care about them in a performative way. The minute it stands in their way or they can’t use it as a tool to get your support to gain or maintain power they will immediately drop the act. Before Oberfell even Obama wouldn’t give a clear statement of support for gay marriage because it was seen as political poison.

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            They care about them in a performative way. The minute it stands in their way or they can’t use it as a tool to get your support to gain or maintain power they will immediately drop the act.

            Standing up for trans acceptance and rights is the right thing to do but it is by no means a winner of a political platform:

            The public is divided over the extent to which our society has accepted people who are transgender: 38% say society has gone too far in accepting them, while a roughly equal share (36%) say society hasn’t gone far enough. About one-in-four say things have been about right. Underscoring the public’s ambivalence around these issues, even among those who see at least some discrimination against trans people, a majority (54%) say society has either gone too far or been about right in terms of acceptance.
            https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/

            Democrats haven’t dropped it yet, despite anti-trans sentiment being one of the Right’s favorite things to rally around.