@rafael_xmr @monero This app connects to 30 clearnet domains and all images are stored on nostr.build.
Developer of ActivityPub-based micro-blogging and content subscription platform Mitra. Working on Fediverse standards: https://codeberg.org/silverpill/feps
@rafael_xmr @monero This app connects to 30 clearnet domains and all images are stored on nostr.build.
@lionroe Sounds complicated, and the biggest flaw of OpenBazaar still remains: the lack of web client. We discuss this article because it is available on the web. Lemmy and other Fediverse apps are successful because they have web clients.
Why not start with existing federated software like flohmarkt? Make it federate over Tor (maybe it already does). That would solve the hardest problem, discovery. Other features can be added later.
Vendors will host everything themselves, so there is no need for any incentive model.
@Teknevra It can be done with FEP-ae97:
https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/ae97/fep-ae97.md
Which enables shared identity and seamless migration as you describe, but I don’t think traditional web login needs to be abandoned. Fediverse will support both types of identities.
@5dh @fediverse Financial incentive is not the only possible cause. If project leaders stop listening to their users for some other reason, you’ll get the same result.
And there is another, more subtle problem: protocol bloat. Fediverse services are getting more and more complicated, and the cost of creating a new platform is constantly increasing. If this problem is not addressed, at some point Fediverse will start looking like a web browser market, where new players can’t compete due to an immense implementation complexity.
@deadsuperhero @fediverse FEP-ef61 is what Mike was implementing and rolled out in production this summer. It’s not like we didn’t advertise that. All work on this FEP (and ones that precede it) was done in public channels, it’s really hard to miss if you’re interested in nomadic identity.
Give @weekinfediverse a follow. It provides a concise summary of what is happening in Fediverse
https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/
In another article @deadsuperhero talked about nomadic identity and Mike Macgirvin’s efforts to implement it in ActivityPub, but similarly failed to mention another project that implements it (Mitra) and the person who wrote the spec (me).
At least my work was mentioned in a footnote. In the current article it is completely ignored.
@deadsuperhero @fediverse You cite an abandoned project and withdrawn WebMonetization FEP and then say “most efforts have not advanced beyond the planning stages”. This statement is misleading because those planning stages are far behind us. Mitra had subscriptions since 2022 and there are other projects that provide monetization options, like PeerTube Lightning plugin and PeerTube Premium Users plugin. FEP-0ea0 and FEP-0837 were published and implemented. Your co-author @quillmatiq should be well aware of these developments because we talked about it
Why did’t you mention Mitra, the open source and fully decentralized Fediverse service that also offers paid subscriptions, and which has been around for several years?
@maegul @fediverse Some ActivityPub implementations already work as social media browsers. For example, my server can interact with microblogs, but also forums, blogs, events etc. The more activity / object types are supported, the closer software is to a browser.
@nihilist @monero Consider the following situations:
- Bob and Arbitrator are colluding against Alice
- Bob and Arbitrator are the same person
I think this system needs a higher authority to function properly. And there’s a simple non-technical solution to this problem. If you don’t agree with Arbitrator’s ruling, you make the case public and provide proofs. As a result, Arbitrator’s reputation is destroyed.
Someone can even create a rating service similar to @kycnotme that will list arbitrators with good reputation
Yes.
https://github.com/discourse/discourse-activity-pub
It is currently being tested at SocialHub (though only selected topics are federated, @feps@socialhub.activitypub.rocks
and a couple of others)
@OrangeFren @monero Activity in Lemmy network might have subsided since the Reddit Migration, but it is certainly not dying. Today there are 768 instances with the largest one having 18469 MAUs.
The important thing about federation is that there is no downside. You get a regular forum with all benefits of a self-hosting, but now people don’t have to register on it in order to participate. For example, monero.town currently has 83 MAUs, and you can access that audience for free simply by using a different software.
I previously mentioned Discourse, which has a federation plugin, but it is not the only forum engine to choose from. NodeBB is working on federation (almost finished), and Flarum too. These engines will be fully interoperable with Lemmy, and partially with micro-blogging apps like Mastodon and Threads.
So, yeah, you’re right about this being an uncharted territory, but I see a lot of potential here
@OrangeFren @monero Why make a non-federated forum? You can run a Lemmy or a Discourse instance, and let people from monero.town and beyond participate in discussions. Otherwise there won’t be much activity
>There is no social media using tipping as piconeros
There is, I’m using it right now. Try to click on the “fediverse” icon near my comment, and on my site you’ll see a donation button.
>looking for opinions and discussion of this could be done in Monero.town
The easiest way is to convince Lemmy devs to implement profile fields: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2411
After that you can add a machine readable XMR address to your profile
@DisgracedDoctor @monero @monerobull I think this is because monero today is a boring tool that just works. The community calmed down and many activists/shills moved to greener pastures. This is probably a good thing
If you want more activity in fediverse, you can try to get micro-blogging sector going. There are many people who are interested in monero but no organization. I’ve seen a couple of accounts run by projects which mostly cross-post from twitter and do not engage with audience. No follow lists. We had a xmrposter Pleroma instance, but it was shut down.
@rbrunner7 Nice explainer, thank you