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@maegul @VintageGenious Agreed. But it’s tricky. Few thoughts:
ActivityPub itself is in a bit of a mess. Spec too large (spread out over many other specifications!), poor documentation, overly generic.
Many devs just aren’t that familiar with interoperability
To encourage adoption, Mastodon and Lemmy cloned existing services and behaviour
Those two fediverse systems added ActivityPub late in their development
@VintageGenious Think about it this way: an email client can do both Gmail and Hotmail (and Fastmail etc.) because it’s all just email. The same goes for the Fediverse; it’s all just ActivityPub. For example this reply is from a Mastodon app :D
I have personal frustrations about how popular servers like Mastodon and Lemmy hide ActivityPub. I feel progress is stifled. Enough that I wrote my own ActivityPub service (https://apubtest2.srcbeat.com/apas.html)
@AFKBRBChocolate Interesting, thanks for the reply. I don’t mean that trust is a bad thing. When I was younger I could never get my head around how decisions were made. It just never occurred to me that there could be other factors in how decisions were made - both at a personal and commercial level - other than finding the cheapest/best stuff.
@AFKBRBChocolate The way I think about it is the currency of business is trust, not aptitude.
@CoderSupreme The founder of StackOverflow went on to work on Discourse (https://discourse.org). There’s actually an ActivityPub plugin available nowadays, so apparently people can contribute from whatever fediverse server they’re coming from. For example see Go Bridge (https://forum.golangbridge.org)
@copygirl Oh man, is non-AI assisted programming old-school already? :(
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Too bad they missed an opportunity to write “dynamic functional programming (elisp)”
@poVoq Agreed. It got me thinking. But feels almost entirely ideological, conflating social media (e.g. Twitter, Reddit) with “the digital world”.
Saying git is a “failed attempt at decentralisation” just because GitHub is popular misses that GitHub is less critical infrastructure than it would be if we only had CVS or Subversion.
I’m encouraged by incremental, practical decentralisation efforts outside of social media. It’s slow, kinda boring but it’s real and happening today.
@DarthYoshiBoy @dez It shouldn’t matter: thankfully both ActivityPub and AT protocol have open source implementations, so we can have ways for it to work together.
I think we have had so many years of app == platform == protocol that we’ve forgotten what interoperability really means and looks like. Even the distinction between Lemmy/Mastodon/Kbin et al. feels like a holdover from those times.
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@mac Related: Why the SQLite team uses Fossil instead of Git https://sqlite.org/whynotgit.html
From the forum: “If I know IBM at all, behind the scenes it’ll end up being a bunch of junior programmers doing the work, after the AI branded tech fails. It’ll still be called Watson tho…” https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/ibm’s-generative-ai-tool-aims-to-refactor-ancient-cobol-code-for-its-mainframes.1495343/post-42133422
Seems like some good improvements to internals about which I’m not a strong enough programmer to understand.
@VintageGenious For sure you’re absolutely right to ask the question. I have the same question :)
I guess I’m just venting. Popular Fediverse systems are implemented in a way that closely mimics exisiting CRUD social media like Twitter and Reddit. You upload a post, it’s stored in a database, and you’re done. Mastodon and Lemmy are the same, with the afterthought of sending ActivityPub messages to other systems.
And we see the result: how federation works remains an obscurity.