Generally, votes are overrated. Especially if you’re not mainstream, by definition most people won’t support you, won’t agree with you, won’t understand you.

Some things may be downvoted because they’re too stupid. But occasionally, you might be downvoted simply because you’re a bit too early. Like, if you’d said “being gay is not crime” or something 50 years ago, you might have got downvoted… Just a thought.

Maybe what you’re thinking is like an XMR version of Bisq’s “Get your first BTC” room?

https://bisq.wiki/Getting_your_first_BTC This dilemma is real and understandable, while it’s not clear what would be the best solution:

For new users, Bisq requires between 0.002 and 0.007 BTC for traders to make their first trade: […] It can be difficult for new bitcoiners to acquire their first coins, so this requirement is often a barrier for new Bisq users. The Get your first BTC room offers one possible way to get this initial bitcoin without signing up for a centralized exchange.

Basically the same thing for Haveno, I guess.

Feliĉan naskiĝtagon, Moenrochan! 🎂
Mi amas vin 💌

Happy birthday!
I love you 🤟

Another bad experience related to Mastercard: https://monero.town/post/1791576

Cake Pay should be fine for most gift cards, I don’t think they usually ask for KYC for those.

So perhaps your recent bad experience with Mastercard EUR cards are rather exceptional?

Thanks for warning. Saw https://monero.town/post/872283 too. Guess Cake Pay may be convenient for those who are fine with KYC. Another option, that Stealths thing is more expensive (higher fees), so basically if you want to buy a gift card here or there, you’ll have to choose between (possible) KYC and higher fees. Or so it seems…

According to @azalty@monero.town, Cake Pay works fine if you’re fine with KYC, and otherwise you may just lose your money: https://monero.town/post/872283

If you’re a privacy advocate not fully supporting KYC but want to try this anyway, then try a small amount, because you may lose all your money. Another recent option is more privacy-friendly and KYC-free, but the fees are higher with them.

We know the ability to get Monero will not be essentially affected—after all, this is not the first time, nor the second time, when Monero is delisted. It seems reasonable to admit, though, that ultimately the ability/freedom to spend Monero might be limited if legit (e.g. hosting) companies can’t accept it in the future—directly or indirectly because of MiCA etc. Although, what will happen in such a situation may be seen as an interesting experiment.

Since the posted link is not very Tor-friendly behind CF, similar random links just in case…

• OKX exchange delists privacy coins, including Monero, Dash, and Zcash https://www.cryptopolitan.com/okx-delists-privacy-coins-monero-dash-zcash/

Following the announcement, privacy tokens such as Dash (DASH), Monero (XMR), and Zcash (ZEC) witnessed a notable decline of up to 10%

• Important OKX Delisting Announcement Concerning Large Subset of Altcoins https://cryptopotato.com/important-okx-delisting-announcement-conrcening-large-subset-of-altcoins/

The prices of some of these tokens have headed south shortly after the announcement. XMR is down nearly 3% in the past 24 hours, while ZEC has plunged by 10%

• Crypto Exchange OKX All Set to Delist Privacy Coins https://thenewscrypto.com/crypto-exchange-okx-all-set-to-delist-privacy-coins/
• Zcash and Monero on the chopping block for delisting https://www.cryptopolitan.com/naira-is-about-to-have-its-worst-year-ever/

The concept may be lovely, but the fact is, many people nowadays have been Pavlov’ed to immediately ignore anything weird that says, “Congratulations! You got some money. Visit this URL and input something.” As they say, the Cake is a lie…

Monero could be a wonderful gift to a friend of yours if they’re especially interested in privacy (in that case, you might want to talk to them privately, and perhaps recommend a better wallet). Otherwise, it may be kind of like casting pearls before swine…

Trocador shows it explicitly whether a specific CEX is no-log or requiting IP logging, which you can choose. This new thing doesn’t have TOS nor Privacy Policy to begin with. Yet as long as you use onion, logging by the front-end is rather irrelevant.

Even if the front-end is not logging anything (which no one can verify), a CEX behind it surely records the tx and retains it as required by laws (some of them might be less than perfectly legal and might not record anything, though that would mean a different kind of risk). Using a CEX is more or less risky, be it Trocador or something else. Some may think that an instant swap by CEX is convenient. Personally I prefer DEX, even though it may be less convenient, even though Monero.town itself has an official affiliate link to Trocador too.

Thank you so much! These minor details are really helpful :D Happy holidays!

Exactly how does you activate it? Ordering itself is kyc-free (and even Tor-friendly?) but you’ll need to show your IP to activate it, of course?

@stealths@monero.town Thanks for clarification!

1. For example, a user in China can buy a card from you, redeem (activate) it and use it internationally, except they can’t use it in shopping at an online shop China?
2. A user in Pakistan can not activate it and use it at all, though others can use it for shopping internationally incl. at at online shop in Pakistan.

It that what this means? I assume activation then includes GeoIP? I’m very happy that a few user reviews are positive anyway. You know, some “services/companies” advertising here tend to be a bit sketchy or iffy. Your prepaid card business seems a honest one, at least now! Thanks for joining monero.town :) I hope this can be convenient & fruitful for both users and you 🐱

Visa International (Just fyi): The supported country list by Stealths and the similar list by Tremendous are slightly different. The differences (if real) might be mostly relevant to Chinese users.

These three are included in Stealths’ list, but not included in Tremendous’ list:

China, Hong Kong (*Taiwan is in both lists), Swaziland

These countries/areas are not inluded in S’s list, but are included in T’s list:

Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burundi, Congo (*Flag of Congo-Brazzaville is shown), Eswatini, Pakistan, Panama, Saint Helena, Saint Pierre and Miquelon

You clearly said: “Unlike others exchange aggregator Intercambio is created by Trusted Monero Community members” — implying yours is better, more trusted than Trocador.

If you’re “friendly”, you can ask, “I don’t understand what you mean. Could you explain?“ — Saying “Yes theres uBlock, and ?” doesn’t sound too friendly, not willing to learn new things. It’s irrelevant whether you personally dislike me or not; if what you do is honest and good, your business might be successful. We’ll see.

the market made it’s choice

Theses networks usage peaked the last bullrun

Perhaps by “the market” you mean like exchanges, where investors trades tokens. Most ppl here use xmr to buy things or services. That might be why you sound a bit off.

Imho this idea seems a bit too pushy, while your monero.im multisig escrow experiment is respectable. (I have nothing against you personally. Some of your ideas are interesting! Ideas and a person are different.)

You claimed you’re a “Trusted Monero Community member”; you claimed “I’m pretty known” To cover up these false claims “retrospectively”, now you’re trying to become better-know here (so your pro-profit business might be successful).
Recently you made several questionable moves: you said your page is no-js no-log but CF becon js is there. You didn’t understand Tails uBO subtlety either. And you disrepect Trocador.app … Frankly your posts seem a bit iffy. Nevertheless, some of your ideas might become splendid ones :)

Are you new to Monero? To ditch something, you’d have to use it in the first place.

In some areas, xmr are used more than btc, and that was like last year’s news.

Both in the EU and in the US… things are not looking too good.

Pysh also objected to FinCEN’s record-keeping demands regarding “anonymity enhanced CVCs.” These refer to digital assets with enhanced privacy protocols like Monero.

To FinCEN’s credit, malicious actors like North Korea’s Lazarus Group have certainly used Monero to launder money while covering their tracks. However, everyday US citizens also use Monero for legitimate purposes, like purchasing art, video games, or even gifting presents when the sender wants the gift to be a surprise even for tech-savvy recipients.

A copycat in a way, but having more options is not bad. Except this FAQ statement feels a bit disrespectful & preposterous.

Is it really anonymous?

Unlike others exchange aggregator Intercambio is created by Trusted Monero Community members who have years of experience in providing the best possible privacy to their users.

They mean, “Unlike Trocador”…?! “Trusted Monero Community members 🤥”???