My disparaging response comes from arguing with dipshits on Reddit about Israel who will only accept Likud party propaganda as the only credible source.

They won a slim majority in 2006 and then swiftly culled Fatah (and PA) opposition and killed a bunch of journalists too. They haven’t had elections since, and a significant portion of the people in Gaza are under 18 years of age… so no they didn’t ask for it.

They also didn’t ask to get forced into the concentration camp that is the Gaza Strip by the Israeli state, Plan Dalet, and the Haganah. If you read the history of Palestine > British Mandate > Israel, it shouldn’t be a surprise that there’s a desperate resistance that formed, horrific actions aside.

Adding links:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Dalet

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_under_Hamas

Cross-species class traitor

usa@lemmy.ml is curated bad faith arguments (from recent weeks experience). We have that here as well.

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Until they realize that empowerment, there will be suffering, and it seems to be accelerationists who want that suffering to drive change. The whole point is that the system is broken in a first-past-the-post democracy.

I can tell you right now those same vulnerable people are not ready to rise up, though I wish that weren’t the case. There are people who still believe in decorum lmao.

We can talk all we want about people recognizing empowerment, but you’re also fighting entrenched propaganda campaigns that keep those same people fearful and against solidarity. Talk to any working class Fox News watching disphit.

Really until I see one of you propose, or enact, ways to counter that propaganda and lead people to understand their empowerment, ima keep doing me and trying to reduce the harm to the vulnerable people as best I can.

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So what do you recommend?

Another comment here is saying this is an introduction to stronger boycotts. Small achievable goals first.

Genau. Trump liebt deutsche Wörter wie Gleichschaltung und Lebensraum.

It’s the compromise for the vulnerable that most often gets brought up in this situation. A protest vote in a broken first-past-the-post election system generally helps the opposition to your vote. Republicans have demonstrated they hate the vulnerable (disabled, poor, debt-ridden) and Democrats are weak in their opposition, but if you want the help those that are vulnerable you would generally not want to subject them to Republicans, whom benefit from your protest vote.

Another argument is that if you fracture the opposition to bootlickers, the bootlickers will win.

Republicans are themselves bad-faith actors in all respects, like Putin. Their words mean nothing.

That’s what they’ve done at least since Reagan so…

I feel like there’s a common ground between schadenfreude and outreach to MAGAts that we should find.

You’re right in that this would be the moment that people might change their minds because of the consequences they wrought upon themselves…. But if someone voted for others to get hurt, and instead hurt themselves, there’s humor in that irony.

I agree that we have more in common than not, I point that out to every dipshit I talk to, but the amount of disrespect I’ve personally received when trying to discuss philosophies in good faith is ridiculous, even from family.

Half the time they start shouting angrily and the other half they start gaslighting. It’s truly hard to not outright say “yes you’re a fucking idiot” when someone gets defensive and says “well I guess you think I’m stupid, huh?”

There’s some rage we all collectively need to work through lmao.

100%. Their corruption knows no bounds.

Once the lawsuits rack up they’ll pass immunity laws for ICE.

I bet it will happen within the year, faster if there’s a major incident involving ICE

I’m pretty sure they always have been. IIRC you’ll find op-Ed’s praising Hitler and Germany leading up to WW2.

They also deliberately slandered the guy that broke the (CIA admitting cocaine from Nicaragua into the US to fund right wing militias) story that often gets told as “the CIA introduced crack into black communities”. They effectively discredited the story, which turned out to be true.

The Behind the Bastards episode on it is p good

Yeah, the delusion is only growing. I saw a woman involved in a state Republican Party post that she “saw through Newsmax’s liberal bullshit” and that while her husband still likes them she “knew the truth”.

We’ve far surpassed dangerous levels of delusion.

💯💯💯💯💯

The last scene of the second season was straight cringe. I was mad