male presenting anglo canadian here, every interaction i have ever had is in some way tinged with white supremacy and male privilege. i’ve been treated better and assumed by default to be more competent than non-whites pretty much every day.
also like have you ever talked to another white person? if a white person or man talks to someone they assume shares their values they say the worst shit. i thought it was funny when libs were condemning trumps “locker room talk” defense like it’s so unbelievable to them that men would discuss sexual assault like that in a male space. “i’ve never heard anything like that in a locker room.” you are lying. most white men are thinking and saying the worst possible things at any given moment.
non-white people can tell by the way they are treated by white people and western society that white supremacy is the thread that binds the western world together. but if you look like them, they will just tell you straight up their terrible ideas assuming you will agree. if you cant figure it out when you actively benefit from it daily, if you cant notice that you’re being held to a different standard by other white people daily, if you cant figure it out when they LOOK FOR EXCUSES TO TELL YOU, than i dunno how much self-crit is gonna help. at that point it seems like an empathy problem
if you identify as an anarchist or a communist and also identify with your whiteness, you missed something, probably a lot of things, along the way. try to be more perceptive geez.
love to my comrades of every skin colour and gender identity, death to the first world and any framework including race used to justify it
I grew up in the southern US and if you’re white and assigned male at birth, at some point around the age of 13 or so, you’re gonna get sat down by someone and have a serious talk. It might be you’re uncle, your dad, some kids from school, whatever. It might only take 30 seconds too.
They’ll sit you down and explain that you’re part of something, part of some society above all the others. Maybe they’ll frame it in terms of defending yourself. They’ll let out a stream of slurs about how non-whites make a town poor or dirty. They’ll poorly articulate how white society has to be defended. They’ll articulate it so poorly they might not even use words like white or race. They’ll put all the focus on the other, on supposedly lesser races and a list of imaginary dangers
And that’s supposed to be one of the entrenching moments. I know that racist ideology is based on material circumstances and constant lifelong reinforcement, not a single speech from an older relative, but it was so common to growing up in the south. Everyone I knew got it at least once. I got it four times and each time it scared the shit out of me.
Death to America, it’s an unsalvageable racist mess. Malcolm X was right.
My dad and I are not really on speaking terms and tbh I instinctively didn’t like him from a very young age but it was pretty wild how many absolutely cartoonishly racists things he said and did when I was very young dawned on me a bit later in life that they were completely not normal lol
9/11 happened when I was in elementary school and I remember him telling me all kinds of shit about how they hate our freedom and don’t use toilet paper and just shit on the street. And a bajillion weird things about Latinos since we were in the south as well
To OPs point, I’ve literally been in a car with an Uber driver who just started in on some racist shit bc I was male presenting and white and super surprised to get pushback
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Jesus Christ, my indoctrination was much subtler. Just every older male family member making constant racist and sexist jokes and comments when there was no one else around.
I’m a tall bearded almost ginger mountain fucker that lives in the Bible belt. It regularly takes under 5 minutes for the quiet part to become out loud, always because I agree with the most innocuous shit.
“Blah blah can’t find a better job”
Yeah man the job market sucks, when I worked at Target… (blah blah)
“yea it’s too bad target funds antifa terrorists!”
(real example after two minutes of conversation at like 10:45 am)
You sound like you’ve got a double edged sword. Chuds might clock you as one of their own, but also they might be wary of messing with you if you’re tall and big? I’m short and effeminate so often my leftist ramblings get easily dismissed or answered with actionable threads.
I hate people who feel comfortable saying slurs or deranged fascist stuff in public
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the next time you meet a canadian after telling them how cool it is that canadians are polite health care socialists (to lull them into liberal self satisfaction) ask them what they think about indigenous land rights. frothing dismissal of native rights to anything at all is sure to follow.
or just say “chinese person” to a british columbian and watch them short circuit
I had this same conversation (more or less) with a Canadian around 2020. He was talking about how violent and racist American cops are, and how Canadian cops would never murder someone like what happened with George Floyd. He didn’t appreciate when I responded with several examples of the Mounties brutalizing and killing native people.
When replacement theory was the hot topic I spent so much IRL time saying “Why is it a problem? Are minorities treated poorly or something?”
Usually met with “no but revenge”
“Revenge for what? 🤔”
Inward eyebrow meme
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Oh my god, yes. I sincerely hate how some of my coworkers think they can use slurs around me when there are only white people in the room. They think I’m one of them. I’m non-binary and they’ll even drop slurs for transgender people. It’s infuriating how they can be so comfortable with this shit
I’ve basically been forced by America to more aggressively adopt signifiers that separate me from right wingers. Like I’m vocal about my veganism, I’ll wear certain clothes, I’ll avoid social situations that right wingers might be present at. All in the name of avoiding hearing slurs whispered to me
Whenever I talk with another white person for more than 60 seconds, I’m always bracing for them to start going off on Q shit or talk about how slurs are ruining the fabric of society. If I get to 10 minutes with no red flags, I try to get their number because it’s like a 95% “success” rate with randos and going off the deep end and chill people are hard to come by.
The sheer number of people who I have met, complete strangers mind, on the bus or out in public, who think that the best way to open up conversation with a complete stranger is to just be openly racist (or making a racist “joke”) is staggering. And this is with a complete stranger, making smalltalk. Who the hell knows what these people are like behind closed doors. Or what they would say to someone with more melanin than a turnip.
My white liberal coworker likes to open conversations with “now I’m not trying to be racial, but…” immediately before launching into a racist story. Lady you just told me about how terrified you were to be in a theater on 9/11 when a “Muslim-looking” man left his backpack in his seat and went to get popcorn. You said you almost got the manager because you literally thought this man was going to bomb a matinee screening of the Barbie movie.
The good news is she is categorically not a racist, though, because she was not trying to be racial!
was listening to some zoomers on the bus talk about how a primary school they went to was ‘overrun’ with asian people now. these were private school kids in new zealand lmfao, death to amerikkka of course but death also to pakeha ‘new zealand’.
Crackers love the idea of meritocracy right up until other people start outcompeting them at the meritocracy.
Maybe those white nerds should go back to Old Zealand if they don’t like it, and give our shit back.
i remember when i first moved into this one place. the ancient guy next door shambles over to introduce himself while i am pushing a mower, which is already a dick move. it’s hot, i don’t want to be out here any longer than i have to be. anyway, the guy is like 85 so i figure i should be nice or something. within 30 seconds, after telling me about how active he is at his church, he’s complaining about how many mexicans have moved into the neighborhood. total left field, my brain took a bit to process that wasn’t having heat stroke… that part of the curated package of this guy introducing himself included going into a diatribe about too many mexicans living nearby. anyway, he’s dead now. not by my hand. but i certainly visualized it.
not an isolated incident of course. just the most glaringly and a recent one. i used to wonder if there was something about me that made these people feel safe coming at me with this heinous shit. but i now think this is just how it works and its maintained. also, i’d like to say that i responded to him by kicking his wobbly knees out from under him and pushing the mower over his head while maxing the throttle and laughing like daffy duck, but i’m not out here trying to catch a charge. instead i was just a huge prick to him and pretended to never hear him speaking, never see him waving, and not answering the door when he knocked, until he stopped trying to interact with me. took about 120 days. it was hard to override my habits of waving and having a smile or a kind word for the people around me. also, it blows living in a concealed carry state where there’s always the possibility that telling one of these people to cram it up their cram hole will get me clipped.
While I wouldn’t go as far as you did in terms of it being “most,” you are absolutely correct that a huge portion of men, when speaking among a “friendly” audience, will say the most revolting shit, and with extra racism if it’s white men.
That it’s entrenched? Sure.
How entrenched it is? That’s a lot to expect, and it’s probably best not to assume you have it figured out and don’t have blind spots.
yeah truth. i was mostly thinking of the people in that reverse racism thread who seem to have missed something in society and in themselves.
it’s probably impossible for white westerners to fully comprehend, i often learn things that in retrospect are obvious and feel dumb for not figuring out for myself. but meaningful self-crit is probably not possible if you can’t identify the existence of white privilege in general.
i posted this to support Othello and corgi, and also kind of wanted to see if anyone would come here to further show their ass, but i guess everyone who would do that was already banned in the wake of corgi’s dunk tank thread.
CW: SA
I overheard some 20-something white guys at Taco Bell last week talking about how in an older car you can unscrew the lock post and then your date can’t get out until she gives you what you want
It isn’t the first time I’ve heard about that “trick” before either.
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Oh is that one of his pieces of “advice” or just generally his kind of thing?
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The school I work at is K-8th and I haven’t heard his name yet around here. I imagine high school is where it really starts.
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I’m sorry you have to put up with that. You should get cognitohazard pay
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If Michael Moore, a liberal boomer, could write the assertions of Stupid White Men in 2001, it shouldn’t be hard for a socialist to have them readily in mind.
I actually think the majority of white people genuinely believe racism is unacceptable. The problem is that they often adopt classicism as drop in replacement for white supremacy. It helps to perpetuate racial inequality and segregation in the same way. However, they’re less likely to get any pushback for being classist. Of course because racial inequality persists, that classism will get mapped back onto racial characteristics. It’s not dissimilar to how anti-Chinese propaganda feeds into hatred for Asian people. The net result is that prejudice remains even though white supremacy is not the vibrant ideological project it once was. It also means that it’s difficult for someone to understand how they’re supporting white supremacy unless they to begin to question class society as a whole.
I’m white, live in a ‘solid-blue’ suburb orbiting Chicago, and I’ve had schoolmates drop the hard-R around me because they felt intrinsically comfortable in my whiteness doing so
