I’m just showing these comments I saw earlier, which were interesting. Since it is true, that we’ve been hearing that “Russia is cornered”, since the invasion started. I personally just want this shit to end.
These comments are relating to an article from this week.
I wonder if we will ever know what truly happens on the ground (i.e. when it comes to casualties and many other things)
Russia wants nothing of the sort. If you’re not some sad troll but actually believe Russia has “fantasies of removing Ukrainian culture” etc, you are so deluded it’s disgusting. It was Ukraine that has been attempting to ethnically cleanse people of Russian heritage that is mostly what kicked this whole conflict off. Russia has been making sure civilians have a corridor to safety while the Ukrainians have been openly talking about purging the population of Crimea if it were able to take it from Russia (which they can’t, not even in their wildest “fantasies.”)
Russia has wanted to negotiate reasonable peace terms since the beginning of the war, but it has been repeatedly scuttled by NATO/Ukraine, most famously when Boris Johnson intervened to make sure peace did not happen.
All of that is the reality of the situation, but the propagandists and those who ate up all their lies like to project the crimes and failures of their own masters onto their enemy, and we end up with the mirror world that this sorry know-nothing fool believes in.
That is the official Russian narrative. Do you have anything more than that?
This is the official Western narrative. Do you have anything more than that?
It is simply demonstrable reality, I don’t need anything more than that.
What should Ukraine negotiate for? What does Ukraine get in exchange for territorial surrender?
So far, Putin has broken and ignored:
If a new treaty were to be negotiated, why would Ukraine expect Putin to follow it? What would be the consequences if he did not?
Putin broke the Minsk Agreements, huh?
Anyone who wants to can go find out the truth of that claim and they will find that it was Ukraine/NATO that broke the agreements which is literally the reason it came to war. This was admitted to openly even by Angela fucking Merkel, who said they only drafted the agreements to buy time for Ukraine to build up more arms and continue antagonizing the Donbas.
The Angela Merkal who urged Ukraine to stop fighting when Russia invaded Crimea? The Angela Merkal who routinely advocated appeasement?
As far as Ukraine breaking the agreement, I assume you mean the accusation of continued shelling? When even the DPR claimed responsibility for fighting as well, claiming Minsk 2 did not apply to Donetsk.
You still haven’t answered: what should Ukraine negotiate for? Given the fact that Russia has broken every treaty on Ukrainian borders since 1995, why should Ukraine trust another negotiation?
They should negotiate to stop the mass murder going on.
Some hypothetical war in the future is not worth butchering millions now. That’s psychotic thinking.
Stop thinking of countries as people. Countries are not people. That fallacy leads you to deranged ideas that see so many people die.
What does that look like? A dissolution of the russian federation, complete Russian disarmament, ane the imprissonment of Vladimir Putin would stop this. Why isn’t Russia offering that? Why aren’t you suggesting that?
What do the people of Ukraine get from negotiating with Russia? Why should they trust Russia to uphold an agreement when Russia has already broken every agreement?
Give concrete answers or admit you don’t have any.
Here’s your concrete answer for your concrete answer; The complete dissolution of the federal government of the United States of America and complete balkanization of the country resulting in every state becoming their own country. The complete liquidation of the Armed Forces and the nuclear armaments program of the United States. And the imprisonment of every living American president and federal politician for crimes against humanity.
This and the same actions performed to each and every NATO country is required for world peace.
Why isn’t NATO offering that? Why aren’t you suggesting this?
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This isn’t a suggestion, its a prompt. If this isn’t the solution to end the killing, what is? Do you have an answer? What should Ukraine negotiate for?
Because that’s not realistically going to happen and hundreds of thousands more will die before you recognize it.
Unlike you I want the killing to stop, unconditionally. That is my only concern. I don’t give a fuck what country “wins”.
You have conditions for the killing to stop. That’s because you are deranged and lack empathy for the real victims of this war. Instead you abstract your empathy to a fucking nation state.
What do you think, then? What is the realistic thing that Ukraine should negotiate for? And, again, what would make it so that Ukraine could trust that negotiation?
Trust has nothing to do with it.
If both sides stop shooting and murdering each other, any promise is worth that.
The mechanics are irrelevant. Anyone who would prolong this conflict to achieve some “goal” has lost their humanity.