I’m just showing these comments I saw earlier, which were interesting. Since it is true, that we’ve been hearing that “Russia is cornered”, since the invasion started. I personally just want this shit to end.

These comments are relating to an article from this week.

I wonder if we will ever know what truly happens on the ground (i.e. when it comes to casualties and many other things)

  • Trudge [Comrade]@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    33·
    2 years ago

    Vietnam showed that the public is a great threat to the war effort. Governments will not allow media to show what warfare is really like nor how the war is actually developing.

    • duderium [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      15·
      2 years ago

      Liberals have never forgiven wikileaks for showing American soldiers celebrating the deaths of civilians, and during Obama’s presidency no less! “But do you mean to say that the adults in the room murder people for money? But that’s absurd! That would mean that American society is just run by a glorified psychotic mafia! And that I’ve been helping them commit mass murder my entire life!”

    • GaveUp [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      2 years ago

      Americans were mostly against Vietnam because a bunch of their family and friends were coming back in bodybags

      I don’t think any amount of Ukrainian casualties would make any big difference in American perception

      • christiansocialist [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Americans were mostly against Vietnam because a bunch of their family and friends were coming back in bodybags

        And because the draft was more “impartial” in the sense that middle-class white people were sent to die instead of the “volunteer” military we have now where recruiters target poor and disenfranchised minorities to become the foot soldiers fed to the meat grinder while the officers are still upper-middle class college graduates (especially those from the places like the Naval Academy, West Point, or the Air Force Academy).

        We saw with the second Iraq War that Americans didn’t really care too much because the well-off upper middle class people just sent their kids to college while the poor black and white people got sent to die in Iraq.

        Like you said, Ukranian casualties don’t even matter so I guess this is the evolution of imperial warfare (impartial draft > volunteer army > foreign proxies).

    • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      2·
      2 years ago

      Only when the empire is forced to use conscription. As long as they can use mercenaries, proxies, intel officers and enlistees then there will never be a public mass movement against imperialism. Americans are just too chauvinist to care unless their skin is in the game.