No, it’s not just that, it’s an actual historical group which was used to crush communism in Germany and pave the way for the Nazis (many of them later became the actual Nazi SA themselves) glad I could clear that up for you! Surprised you never heard of them before!
Not trying to be contrairian; I’m hoping someone can enlighten me since I don’t seem to understand the significance of this.
My understanding of freikorps is that it’s a class of soldier, not necessarily tied to any period or event. The term doesn’t refer to any one historical group, but rather many different groups across many different historical periods who fought alongside regular armies. Sure it is true that there were freikorps groups that supported the rise of Hitler, etc., but there were also freikorps groups that opposed it (see the francs-tireurs)
I don’t know what my polital goal is here, but I don’t support Ukraine if that’s what you’re suggesting. I thought maybe someone would explain why freikorps is necessarily connected with Nazism (especially if we are concerned about the “origin of things” as you say). Unfortunately nobody has really been that helpful.
I guess if everyone just associates freicorps with nazis then that’s what it is. It therefore makes it a safe bet that whoever is using it is doing the same. I ended up looking into this group in particular and yeah they are Nazis so checks out.
things like this really make me wonder what non-leftists learn about history. I had someone telling me that they didn’t know which French Revolution I was talking about when I said The French Revolution and I think they might have been serious.
Why use a German term? Why use a German term that is most infamous for its connection to proto-Nazis? Why not just be “Volunteer Corps” in Ukrainian?
You can probably guess why if you ask any of these fuckers what they think of Bandera.
Analogy:
The term Sturmabteilung predates the founding of the Nazi Party in 1919. Originally it was applied to the specialized assault troops of Imperial Germany in World War I who used infiltration tactics based on being organized into small squads of a few soldiers each. The first official German stormtrooper unit was authorized on March 2, 1915 on the Western Front.
“idk guys, I don’t see a connection to the Nazis for this Ukrainian battalion just because it’s called Sturmabteilung”
I sure fucking wonder why Ukrainians are using German for the name of their group. Could it have any connection to the historical proto-fascist German paramilitary, given that Ukraine has employed neo-nazi paramilitaries and integrated them into the state before? No, must be a coincidence
Did you source this right out of your ass? Trust me, most Germans are not thinking of Napoleon. They’re not thinking of the Third Reich either, because the Freikorps were integrated into the Reichswehr in 1920 already and the name wasn’t used after that. If they remember this term from school or media at all, then almost certainly in the context of the Freikorps squashing socialist uprisings under direction of the Ebert government in 1918/19. They might also remember them murdering Luxemburg, Liebknecht and others, and in general being far-right proto-fascists.
Absolutely not lol, germans would know that anyone naming their unit ‘Freikorps’ is a nazi just like all the other stuff, shit if you see someone waving the Reichsfahne people know that you are a nazi.
Ask a german about Freikorps and they most likely will think of Napoleon, not the third reich.
I’d wager a good bet 70% of Germans wouldn’t even know that word, it’s a lesser detail in German history totally irrelevant to your average German. Nobody cares about Napoleon or Weimar.
Freikorps is just a german word for people fighting without monetary compensation. Frei = free and Korps = corps.
yeah? is it usual for ukrainians to use german words with specific history for no reason in particular?
Yes. They also happen to be Buddhist.
No, it’s not just that, it’s an actual historical group which was used to crush communism in Germany and pave the way for the Nazis (many of them later became the actual Nazi SA themselves) glad I could clear that up for you! Surprised you never heard of them before!
Not trying to be contrairian; I’m hoping someone can enlighten me since I don’t seem to understand the significance of this.
My understanding of freikorps is that it’s a class of soldier, not necessarily tied to any period or event. The term doesn’t refer to any one historical group, but rather many different groups across many different historical periods who fought alongside regular armies. Sure it is true that there were freikorps groups that supported the rise of Hitler, etc., but there were also freikorps groups that opposed it (see the francs-tireurs)
Which one do you think these Ukranians named themselves after? Be honest
Is this a bit?
No.
It’s someone who has the weird liberal trait of not considering origins of things if it aligns with their current political goals.
Worst case it’s on the same tier as ““national SOCIALIST” =“a socialist who likes their nation””
I don’t know what my polital goal is here, but I don’t support Ukraine if that’s what you’re suggesting. I thought maybe someone would explain why freikorps is necessarily connected with Nazism (especially if we are concerned about the “origin of things” as you say). Unfortunately nobody has really been that helpful.
I guess if everyone just associates freicorps with nazis then that’s what it is. It therefore makes it a safe bet that whoever is using it is doing the same. I ended up looking into this group in particular and yeah they are Nazis so checks out.
things like this really make me wonder what non-leftists learn about history. I had someone telling me that they didn’t know which French Revolution I was talking about when I said The French Revolution and I think they might have been serious.
Why use a German term? Why use a German term that is most infamous for its connection to proto-Nazis? Why not just be “Volunteer Corps” in Ukrainian?
You can probably guess why if you ask any of these fuckers what they think of Bandera.
Analogy:
“idk guys, I don’t see a connection to the Nazis for this Ukrainian battalion just because it’s called Sturmabteilung”
this is right up there with “bro the wolfsangel is just a pagan slavic symbol bro, so is the sonnerad bro! bro!”
That white circle thingy behind the not-swastika cannot be a black sun, since it’s white
I sure fucking wonder why Ukrainians are using German for the name of their group. Could it have any connection to the historical proto-fascist German paramilitary, given that Ukraine has employed neo-nazi paramilitaries and integrated them into the state before? No, must be a coincidence
Ein Kostenlos Korps mit jedem Aufstand!
Schutzstaffel is just a german word for a protection squadron
“Sieg Heil” is just the German word for “hail victory”.
Which was never used pre third reich and therefore has a huge historical weight.
Ask a german about Freikorps and they most likely will think of Napoleon, not the third reich.
Did you source this right out of your ass? Trust me, most Germans are not thinking of Napoleon. They’re not thinking of the Third Reich either, because the Freikorps were integrated into the Reichswehr in 1920 already and the name wasn’t used after that. If they remember this term from school or media at all, then almost certainly in the context of the Freikorps squashing socialist uprisings under direction of the Ebert government in 1918/19. They might also remember them murdering Luxemburg, Liebknecht and others, and in general being far-right proto-fascists.
Absolutely not lol, germans would know that anyone naming their unit ‘Freikorps’ is a nazi just like all the other stuff, shit if you see someone waving the Reichsfahne people know that you are a nazi.
As a German, when I see any foreigner using German in a military context, I assume they’re a Wehraboo and by extension at least fascist-adjacent
I’d wager a good bet 70% of Germans wouldn’t even know that word, it’s a lesser detail in German history totally irrelevant to your average German. Nobody cares about Napoleon or Weimar.