• Programmer Belch
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    121 year ago

    I don’t know how the government will be able to effectively ban E2EE and honestly I want to see them try

    • Neato
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      141 year ago

      100%? Impossible. But they can effectively ban it.

      Pass a law that makes any US company, or company doing business in the US, not allowed to host E2EE-enabled apps. This now bans them from the App Store and Play Store. 99% of users won’t find or choose to side-load for android users. Then they can make E2EE actually illegal to distribute in the US. They’ll almost never bother going after individuals, but this effectively makes hosting a US-based website unable to distribute E2EE programs. So people will need to use foreign sites. Which the US can force ISPs to block via a whack-a-mole on individual sites.

      This isn’t very likely, but hell Congress was decently close to banning TikTok for no real reason so who knows?

      • Programmer Belch
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        31 year ago

        It seems like the great firewall in china, really scary times for the freedom of the web

  • Larvitar
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    111 year ago

    Guess I’ll just have to touch grass.

    Google, try pulling data from me being at the park when my phone gets left at home!

    • @odium@programming.dev
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      141 year ago

      Cloudflare has human checks before you can access some sites. Some apps and screenreaders no longer work with those sites.

      • BetoA
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        11 year ago

        They can also read the traffic that goes to websites.

        Use noc.org if you need a CDN.

    • Saik0
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      61 year ago

      They’re all uppity that to use cloudflare proxy they have to terminate the ssl connection there. So technically cloudflare can sniff all the traffic. But that’s kind of the point of WAFs and Reverse Proxies.

      I would argue that the sheer amount of data throughput that Cloudflare has, you’d have to really be on a list to be monitored… and they certainly cannot just log all data willy nilly.

      • r00ty
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        31 year ago

        I suppose this one is quite simple. How can they cache, if they don’t MitM the connection? I don’t think it would be technically possible. If you want the cache/CDN you just need to use a company you trust. If you don’t trust them then you don’t get the cache/CDN.

        • Saik0
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          31 year ago

          Correct. But people are viewing the DDOS protection, Cache, WAF, etc… functions as evidence that Cloudflare is obviously malicious and storing 100% of all data traversing them.

          I’ve seen no evidence of that yet, and will certainly discontinue use of them if they show such tendencies. Until then, I will absolutely leverage their platform for my use as a paying customer.

          I do understand the fear with their free platform though… They’ve gotta make money somehow, and I feel there’s probably a fear that is data collection.