Most “unskilled labor” is heavily skill dependant. You wouldn’t want a chef, builder or painter who didn’t know what they were doing. And for production: machinists, mechanics and foremen make or break profit with their skills.

So what’s a better name for these jobs?

Edit: I have been told that plumbers don’t qualify as unskilled, and as such they have been exchanged for painter.

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    Like what?

    They carrying of a lot of plate at once sure looks impressive, but I’m sure most people could learn that technique in a day or two. What else is there?

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      Knowing the menu, reading your table/having people skills, juggling 4-5 tasks at a time.

      I’ve never been a waiter, I could start doing the job tomorrow, but it would still take a few weeks to get really good at it.

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        That, and dealing with dipsticks who think your job is easy

        I’ve done one or two nights of hospitality work. It wasn’t fun, and I had fairly easy roles. I appreciate it when others do it for me.

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        The waiters here carry a little tablet that contains the menu, can store orders and even does the maths in case you want to split-pay at the end.

        That leaves being “somewhat sociable” as the remaining skill. True … I definitly couldn’t do that. I’d probably throw a drink at an annoying customer after a few days.

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            I agree. Having people’s compensation rely on tips is a very problematic mindet. Glad we don’t have that here.

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              I agree but if I went to a country that expected it I wouldn’t suddenly choose not to participate in some arrogant, self serving display despite knowing that all I’m doing is ruining someone’s day/hurting them financially to fuel my own sense of moral superiority without changing a goddamn thing.

              And I certainly don’t feel the need to shit on someone’s job.

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      There’s a lot more to it than “carrying a lot of plate at once”.

      First, you have to memorize the menu backwards and forwards. Not just the items, but also the ingredients and the cooking techniques. A customer is allergic to everything in the nightshade family. Do you know what you can’t offer them? Better learn it. Someone has never eaten smoked chicken and is concerned with the pink color of the meat. You better know how to explain the smoking process and how it affects meat color. What is the temperature difference between medium and medium-rare? Are your oysters local? What’s in rice pilaf? Why is it called “she-crab soup” (it’s not why you think)? You have to know all of this and about a million other things, and be able to recall it on the spot without hesitation and with full confidence, every time someone asks.

      Second, you have to be a salesman. You need to be able to know how to convince people to buy something that they may not have considered buying when they walked through the door, and you have to know that they will not only thank you for it in the end, but financially reward you for it.

      Third, you have to be cool under pressure. You might think you are, but until you’ve worked a dinner rush, you have no fucking idea. It is non-stop, go go go, and you need to time everything just right. You’ll also be talked down to by customers, yelled at by cooks, burned by hot plates, sexually harassed by both customers and coworkers, while fielding complaints and mistakes, and you have to do all of this while looking like you’re having the time of your life. A sour expression or a snarky comment will get you pulled from the floor, and if you’re waiting tables in the US, there goes about 20% of this weeks income.

      Fourth, you need to be able to get along with everyone, or at least be such a convincing liar that Ted Bundy would be impressed with your sociopathic people skills. I am not kidding. You have to be able to ingratiate yourself like family with the drunk college bro table just as well as the black church group table. If you aren’t a social chameleon, you need not apply.

      I could go on and on, but I hope you get the idea. Waiting tables is not easy, it’s not “unskilled”, and it takes a very specific personality type to do it well. The job has a high turnover rate because most people can’t do it.

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        First, you have to memorize the menu backwards and forwards. Not just the items, but also the ingredients and the cooking techniques […]

        The servers in the local resurant here have a small tablet and can just look this up on the fly. No need to memorize anything. Not quite sure about the allergens, but that could easily be solved with software.

        I can see how this could be a required skillset for a waiter in a super high-class restaurant where it would add to the prestige and professionalism, but in a average restuarant I’m totally fine with the waiter having a look at the tablet before answering a question about the menu.

        Second, you have to be a salesman. You need to be able to know how to convince people to buy something that they may not have considered buying when they walked through the door, and you have to know that they will not only thank you for it in the end, but financially reward you for it.

        I guess being annoying is a skill. But I absolutly fucking hate when people do that. The job is to take the order, not suggest one.

        Again, outside of super-fancy restaurants, I’d think that’s actually quite inappropriate.

        Third, you have to be cool under pressure. […] You’ll also be talked down to by customers, yelled at by cooks, burned by hot plates, sexually harassed by both customers and coworkers

        So the skill to cope with a shitty work environment. I’m not trying to diminish that, it’s a serious skill. But also one that is require in almost every job these days. But I guess it’s particularly important in the gastronomie, I give you that one.

        Fourth, you need to be able to get along with everyone, or at least be such a convincing liar that Ted Bundy would be impressed with your sociopathic people skills. […]

        Disagree.

        The entire fake-friendly act with a fake-smile is very annoying American thing. You job is to take the order and bring the food. After that I really don’t want to hear anything else but “Enjoy your meal” and “Was everything alright?”. Talkative waiters are the worst.

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          The servers in the local resurant here have a small tablet and can just look this up on the fly. No need to memorize anything. Not quite sure about the allergens, but that could easily be solved with software.

          I can see how this could be a required skillset for a waiter in a super high-class restaurant where it would add to the prestige and professionalism, but in a average restuarant I’m totally fine with the waiter having a look at the tablet before answering a question about the menu.

          At this point you could just have a tablet at the table and let the customer look it up themselves. In the mean time, for restaurants that don’t provide tablets to their waiters (which is most of them), this is a skill they need.

          I guess being annoying is a skill. But I absolutly fucking hate when people do that. The job is to take the order, not suggest one.

          Again, outside of super-fancy restaurants, I’d think that’s actually quite inappropriate.

          This is specifically a waiters job. I love that you think you’ve never been sold anything at a restaurant. Those waiters did a good job.

          The entire fake-friendly act with a fake-smile is a very annoying American thing. Your job is to take the order and bring the food. After that I really don’t want to hear anything else but “Enjoy your meal” and “Was everything alright?”. Talkative waiters are the worst.

          Hate it all you want. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s part of the job for American waiters. They don’t have the luxury of not having to be friendly.

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      I served for about 7 years. None of the individual tasks are particularly difficult in isolation. The skill is juggling a couple dozen simple tasks quickly and efficiently in a chaotic environment. That is much more difficult than it seems.