Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.
The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.
The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.
“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”
protests are public, those people are gonna show up no matter how progressive the protest.
most antisemites in Germany are pro-Israel, people that go at AfD marches to support their party’s line of Zionism by all means necessary in order to bring about the rapture of Jewish people from the Holy Lands.
I don’t understand, the rapture of the Jewish people by establishing a Zionist ethno state? I think it’s much simpler: The original fascists were antisemites because Jews were the scapegoat that could mobilise the masses due to a hatred for Jews that has been cultivated for centuries in Europe, it was en vogue. The fascist(oid) populists today use Arabs/Muslims (not that the average AfD supporter knows the difference) and therefore show public support with a regime that already shows little mercy for those. And yeah, true neo nazis, islamists and whoever else hate Jews will show up for the protests, and if there really need to be deportations, they should be first.
the deportation of anyone, regardless if they’re a political enemy or not, is a direct pipeline to normalizing fascism.
this is an article exemplifying how fascism always comes for trans people first and you’re here talking bs about islamists. most terrorists in Germany are white Germans.
I haven’t been clear. Yes, deportations are wrong (even though my heart really wants fascists out of the country), and yes, it’s alarming that at least half of the victims are trans/queer.
i agree entirely with you. i think the only way for Germans to get rid of fascism is to start tackling their white supremacist culture.
That’s true for all of Europe. But first, we’ll need to get our shit together and fend off agitprop from Russia, China, and, in the future, the US.
I’ve lived all over Europe and once upon a time I naively expected that people in the country of Nazism would nowadays be the most sensitive to racist thinking and acting of all, and hence the least racist of all, but that’s not at all my experience.
Germany and Germans justifying the racist practices of their own power elites and the fast slide back to authoritarian practices, with whataboutism and “legality” (as if most of the worst actions of the Nazis weren’t things they first made sure to make legal) is, frankly, scary as fuck for any European who is not a far-right Muppet, not least because it shows the moral and ethical distance between mainstream German politics and the AfD is paper thin.
Most of Europe isn’t supporting the mass murder of children by a nation because of the ethnicity said nation claims to represent and most of Europe hasn’t made it legal to deport people who weren’t tried and found guilty of something, and that Germany, of all nations, who did what they did almost a century ago and spent the time since telling us “Never again!” are back to the level of racism that knowingly sends wepons and ammo to a nation mass murdering chidren justifying that support with the ethnicity of the people of that nation, and is passing Fascist legislation to deport people without trial, is really making them stand out from the rest of Europe when it comes to Racism and Fascism.
Your peers in Europe on the Racist and Fascist scales are the likes of Hungary, not the Scandinavians or even the French.
Well the Holocaust really fucked up any hope for the entity that followed Nazi Germany to have a reasonable relationship with an entity that claims to be a Jewish state. Nevertheless there are alt right movements in almost all Euro nations that need to be dealt with.
I suspect the problem was that the attempt at making amends was framed in a way that kept the Racism alive and well (i.e. the duty of making amends was framed as being towards an entire ethnicity rather than being towards the actual people who were victims, their families and their descendants - so kept treating people as ethnics but a specific ethnic group is now “good ones” rather than “bad ones”). This both explains the repeated loud proclamations of “unwavering support for the Jewish People” and the complete and total lack of similar support for other etnicities targetted by the Nazis with the Holocaust, such as the Roma People (more commonly known as Gypsies).
That the making of amends was itself structured within a Racist thinking framework isn’t exactly surprising given than the whole thing was done back in the 50, which was still very Racist by modern day standards, and that pretty much all of the Nazi “middle management” as well as the Nazi-supporting wealthy elites were kept in their places (it’s easy to get old Fascists to loudly proclaim their disavowing of the last regime, but changing the actual way they look at their fellow human beings in the privacy of their minds is something much harder).
The surprising part (certainly it was hugelly surprising for me, who used to have a very good opinion of the country less than a decade ago) is that in its way to the XXI century Germany has not in fact evolved along with the rest of Europe away from a mental framework that sees ethnicity as more relevant than character.
Absolutelly, all Western nations have problems with the Far-Right and its favorite practices (Racism, Fascism, Might is Right, Nationalism and so on), to a less or greater level depending on the country, but the vast majority of countries in Europe had actually, before this period or moral and ethical regression started a decade ago, gone far further amongst the population in general in disassembling the ideological foundations of Racism and Authoritarinism supporting that kind of crap, than Germany.
Jewish people are not an ethnicity. They are defined by religion.Alright then, ethno-religious state; see below.Jews are a classic example of an ethnoreligious group, being Jewish is not solely a question of religion. E.g. many Jews in the US identify as Jewish, but do not believe in Judaism. And religious hardliners in Israel have a very clear image of what kind of people can be real Jews.
Not necessarily, no. Organizers can publicly distance themselves from unwanted people beforehand and during speeches, as well as check people’s banners and clothing, and that will generally help quite a bit.
I don’t experience it like that. I think the right wing is genuinely split over whether to support a Jewish religiously-defined state or whether to support anything anti-Jewish.
which banners and clothing do you want to be censored? if you mean Free Palestine and from the river to the sea, don’t even bother as you’d be outing yourself as a zionist
Primo job jumping to conclusions. I was naming examples of actions. How organizers implement them is not something I am going to have a say in anyway.
I am saying though that interactions like this are probably unnecessary: https://files.catbox.moe/ssct8w.mp4 If you don’t understand German: The “reporter” is an Afd member who is asking a pro-Palestine protester about the historical Nazis and the protester responds that he likes the number “6 million” [as in 6 million Jews killed during Holocaust]. Also, ftr: I do not endorse using the Jandl quote over the video in this context.
I can’t research this particular incident if all you give out is a video without sources from local media saying whether he experienced repercussions or not.
I don’t get what this is supposed to prove, that anyone can put on a keffiyeh and say Nazi shit?
It’s not local media, it’s literally a nazi live streamer filming people for profit. Nonetheless, it’s proving that it’s not always hard to tease out actual antisemitism from a subset of the people attending pro-Palestine demonstrations. And I do find that a credibility issue.
I agree and also, what the fuck does this have to do with anti-genocide protesters getting deported?
That’s how the thread evolved. It likely has nothing to do with the four people from the article though.