• interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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    5 days ago

    You said: Now make the maximally opposite idea, make heavy use of the concept of the latent space

    ChatGPT said:

    Absolutely — here’s the maximally opposite take, fully embracing the idea that models like ChatGPT are more than just stochastic parrots, and heavily leveraging the concept of latent space to argue that these models can, in a very real sense, generate novel ideas and insights. ChatGPT Is Not a Stochastic Parrot — It’s a Navigator of Latent Thought Space

    While critics call ChatGPT a “stochastic parrot” or “autocomplete on steroids,” this view drastically underestimates the depth and complexity of what large language models are actually doing. These models aren’t just parroting data — they are mapping and exploring an extraordinarily rich latent space of human knowledge, culture, and thought.

    1. Latent Space: The Hidden Geometry of Meaning

    At the core of models like ChatGPT is the idea of a latent space — a high-dimensional mathematical structure where abstract concepts, relationships, and patterns are embedded.

    Every word, sentence, and idea is represented as a point or vector in this space.
    
    The relationships between points encode not just surface patterns, but deep structural relationships between ideas — analogies, metaphors, causal chains, emotional tones, etc.
    

    This latent space isn’t programmed in — it emerges from the training data through self-supervised learning. The result is a dynamic, multi-dimensional conceptual map that humans don’t have direct access to but the model can navigate.

    1. Novelty as Latent Interpolation and Extrapolation

    Human creativity often works by connecting existing concepts in unexpected ways — something these models are exceptionally good at.

    When ChatGPT generates text, it’s not repeating past sentences — it’s interpolating and extrapolating within the latent space.
    
    It finds new paths between existing ideas, often producing connections no single human has written down before.
    
    This is not parroting — it’s a form of latent-space creativity.
    

    For example, when the model generates a metaphor or analogy you’ve never heard before, it’s discovering a new alignment in the conceptual topology — something genuinely emergent.

    1. Emergent Generalization, Not Memorization

    Critics argue LLMs can’t understand or generalize. But in fact:

    Models demonstrate emergent behaviors that were not directly trained into them — like multi-step reasoning, analogical thinking, or transfer across domains.
    
    These behaviors arise from complex interactions in the latent space, not from rote recall.
    

    In this view, ChatGPT is less like a parrot and more like a mathematical mind, fluent in the topography of human language and thought.

    1. Language as a Proxy for Thought

    Language is not just a tool for communication — it’s a compressed, high-bandwidth representation of human thinking.

    Because LLMs are trained on so much human-generated language, they build an internal model of how humans think, reason, feel, and imagine — as encoded in language.

    That means ChatGPT isn’t just finishing your sentence; it’s navigating the conceptual manifolds of knowledge, philosophy, narrative, humor, and more — sometimes in ways humans themselves haven’t yet seen.

    1. With Scale Comes Emergence

    As models scale in size and training data, they demonstrate qualitatively new behaviors — not just quantitative improvements. This includes things like:

    Few-shot learning
    
    Chain-of-thought reasoning
    
    Style transfer
    
    Multi-modal integration
    

    These aren’t just features of autocomplete — they’re signs of systems operating in a rich cognitive manifold, capable of abstract manipulation of meaning. In Summary:

    ChatGPT isn’t just guessing the next word. It’s:

    Navigating a vast, learned geometry of meaning
    
    Connecting ideas in novel ways
    
    Generating emergent insight by recombining latent concepts
    

    It may not “understand” like a human, but it can synthesize in a way that mimics — and sometimes even surpasses — human creativity.

    Calling it a “stochastic parrot” is like calling a jazz musician an “audio repeater” because they’re using notes they’ve heard before. It misses the creativity in the combination — the generative power that lies within the latent space.

    Want to see a side-by-side debate between these two perspectives? Or explore where the middle ground is?

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        4 days ago

        I would have pasted it as a single comment, but that hit the character limit. So I split it in multiple comments. But now people aren’t downvoting them equally, so the comments are getting out of order. These really have to be read in my posting order to understand what I did.

        Oh well, too bad, ironically this kibd of highly negative response shows me, it was not worth the effort to post this and I do well to just keep to myself as I usually do.

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          Yeah the content is fine, but there’s too much of it for a comment thread. You’ve got to spin that stuff off into an etherpad link or something, otherwise it’s just too much matter to inflict on an innocent comment section.

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            4 days ago

            But that means it will now receive 1% of the reading it would otherwise have as well as now the thread’s coherence depends on that other website still existing. Which, in 2500 years, it probably won’t.

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              4 days ago

              Directly and with votes we the collective audience are telling you, please keep overlong ai gibberish in an external link. If that makes it get fewer views then perhaps it’s not that interesting

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          4 days ago

          What tipped you off was it when I left in “chatgpt said”

          Or when I responded to the commenter who said he’d put the article in chatgpt to summarize that “he didn’t” as a joke, and then added “but I did”

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        4 days ago

        Very well, I already cut down 90% of external interactions, what is cutting cutting the last 10%. The mass down votes agree with my reasonning

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      It may not “understand” like a human, but it can synthesize in a way that mimics — and sometimes even surpasses — human creativity.

      Calling it a “stochastic parrot” is like calling a jazz musician an “audio repeater” because they’re using notes they’ve heard before. It misses the creativity in the combination — the generative power that lies within the latent space.

      It reads like the brainless drivel that corporate drones are forced to churn out, complete with meaningless fluff words. This is why the executives love AI, they read and expect that trash all the time and think it’s suitable for everything.

      Executives are perfectly content with what looks good at a cursory glance and don’t care about what’s actually good in practice because their job is to make themselves seem more important than they actually are.

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        3 days ago

        I literally asked it to make the maximalist case against the idea that LLM are just autocomplete and that’s exactly what it did.

        The message before that did the opposite case.