• vvilld@lemmy.world
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    5 hours ago

    Why do you have to pick one or the other? Can we not recognize that the governments of western nations and the government of China are all evil institutions that cause far more harm than they ever could benefit?

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      4 hours ago

      ‘recognize’ is a weird word for ‘delude’.

      China raised more people out of poverty than any other government in history, and certainly more than any non government group. The amount of good they’ve done is truly amazing, with absolute minimal harm when honestly compared with their western counterparts.

      Would it be better to not have any institution and have automated luxury gay space communism? Sure. But we’re never getting there from a western society.

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        4 hours ago

        Again, both are shitty. In fact, not just both, but all. All hierarchical power structures are just plain evil. I’m not interested in parsing which evil is more evil. The Chinese government is an evil institution. The US government is an evil institution.

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          3 hours ago

          That’s a fine ideal to strive towards, an communism, including the Chinese government hopes to get there some day.

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            3 hours ago

            China hasn’t been a communist country in a long time. That was the whole point of the Deng reforms.

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              3 hours ago

              China is still communist even if they allow non essential industries to engage in capitalism. The entire point of dengism is to prevent ussr syndrome and avoid collapse and temptation due to stupid shit. Over 60% of the economy by GDP including all essential services, is owned by the people. The private sector exists solely to grow technological and industrial capacity, and is shrinking year by year.