So you actually ended up proving one of the dude’s points:
And many selfhosted apps that I use on Android through browser. Like DokuWiki and Trilium and Minimalist Web Notepad for notes. Airsonic. Baikal for my calendar and contacts. Immich and Photoprism.
Yeah, like the other guy said: your average user is not gonna how the fuck to self-host things, let alone go out of their way to get the extra computer or w/e to do so. I sure as shit don’t have the luxury of having enough spare change to grab a Raspberry Pi in order to have a separate server, and I sure as shit can’t afford to be running my computer 24/7 because electricity fucking sucks in my state and costs a lot compared to the rest of the US.
Also, are we just going to fuckin ignore that one of the apps you listed, Signal, is currently going through some shit right now because there’s been reports of that and other Android messaging apps being hacked and messages are being hijacked? FOSS brings a whole lotta good - and more good than bad - but it’s also pretty damn vulnerable because a bad actor could just look at the source code and then figure out what exploits and vulnerabilities a FOSS app might have. If you’re a dev and not aware of them, then you have to honestly rely on the goodwill of your userbase to say something - otherwise, it could go unnoticed for a while.
If you have the knowhow, the time, and the money and/or any spare stuff to use for any FOSS app or software? Yeah, absolutely - FOSS is the way to go 99% of the time. But don’t go “how FUCKING DARE YOU SAY NON-FOSS MIGHT BE SENSIBLE!!” when it legitimately does have a place in software ecosystems for the less tech-savvy users who might want something closed-source for peace-of-mind. But we also have to recognize and remind those devs that they need users more than the users need their platform - Reddit failed to see that and its users also failed to reinforce that in the large scheme of things it seems (so far). That is the root of the problem, not the killing of 3rd party apps and forcing users to use their closed-source apps (though that doesn’t help them a lot either).
Yeah, like the other guy said: your average user is not gonna how the fuck to self-host things, let alone go out of their way to get the extra computer or w/e to do so
And again, explain to me why I should care what the average user prefers. Or why we should consider the average users opinion on if something is better? The average user is a moron.
sure as shit don’t have the luxury of having enough spare change to grab a Raspberry Pi in order to have a separate server, and I sure as shit can’t afford to be running my computer 24/7 because electricity fucking sucks in my state and costs a lot compared to the rest of the US.
A thinkcentre SFF PC costs < $100 and uses like 12Watts, that might be like $2-3/month. Next excuse? If you want to give up your privacy and control and security so that you don’t have to think, then that’s your prerogative. But easier doesn’t make it better, and if they are harvesting your data, it’s not costing you nothing. Personally, I don’t mind thinking a little bit when it gives me the control, privacy, and security which I prioritize. Also, very few of the things I mentioned were selfhosted, most of them are actual Android apps and don’t require selfhosting.
Also, are we just going to fuckin ignore that one of the apps you listed, Signal, is currently going through some shit right now because there’s been reports of that and other Android messaging apps being hacked and messages are being hijacked?
Shows a severe lack of understanding of what happened, had literally nothing to do with the app, it was a PHISHING attack… I’m not even replying any further to this nonsense.
FOSS brings a whole lotta good - and more good than bad - but it’s also pretty damn vulnerable because a bad actor could just look at the source code and then figure out what exploits and vulnerabilities a FOSS app might have.
Oh wow, someone actually banging for security through obscurity. Now that’s beyond ignorant and into the flat out dumb territory.
You are out of your element my guy, you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about… all the most secure software is FOSS. Also, there is no way to verify software doesn’t have backdoors unless it’s FOSS, so both security and privacy experts recommend FOSS above everything. It doesn’t matter if it’s your SSH client or if it’s WireGuard for your VPN or if it’s file encryption like VeraCrypt or if it’s your web server running Apache or nginx or it’s your chat client… security and privacy experts recommend FOSS. Like I said, 90% of web and cloud infrastructure runs FOSS because it is the most reliable and secure software available, but feel free, go ahead, tell me how you would setup a secure webserver with user logins, hashing, and encryption using all proprietary software, I can’t wait! You going to use Windows as your OS to do it? Lmao.
So you actually ended up proving one of the dude’s points:
Yeah, like the other guy said: your average user is not gonna how the fuck to self-host things, let alone go out of their way to get the extra computer or w/e to do so. I sure as shit don’t have the luxury of having enough spare change to grab a Raspberry Pi in order to have a separate server, and I sure as shit can’t afford to be running my computer 24/7 because electricity fucking sucks in my state and costs a lot compared to the rest of the US.
Also, are we just going to fuckin ignore that one of the apps you listed, Signal, is currently going through some shit right now because there’s been reports of that and other Android messaging apps being hacked and messages are being hijacked? FOSS brings a whole lotta good - and more good than bad - but it’s also pretty damn vulnerable because a bad actor could just look at the source code and then figure out what exploits and vulnerabilities a FOSS app might have. If you’re a dev and not aware of them, then you have to honestly rely on the goodwill of your userbase to say something - otherwise, it could go unnoticed for a while.
If you have the knowhow, the time, and the money and/or any spare stuff to use for any FOSS app or software? Yeah, absolutely - FOSS is the way to go 99% of the time. But don’t go “how FUCKING DARE YOU SAY NON-FOSS MIGHT BE SENSIBLE!!” when it legitimately does have a place in software ecosystems for the less tech-savvy users who might want something closed-source for peace-of-mind. But we also have to recognize and remind those devs that they need users more than the users need their platform - Reddit failed to see that and its users also failed to reinforce that in the large scheme of things it seems (so far). That is the root of the problem, not the killing of 3rd party apps and forcing users to use their closed-source apps (though that doesn’t help them a lot either).
And again, explain to me why I should care what the average user prefers. Or why we should consider the average users opinion on if something is better? The average user is a moron.
A thinkcentre SFF PC costs < $100 and uses like 12Watts, that might be like $2-3/month. Next excuse? If you want to give up your privacy and control and security so that you don’t have to think, then that’s your prerogative. But easier doesn’t make it better, and if they are harvesting your data, it’s not costing you nothing. Personally, I don’t mind thinking a little bit when it gives me the control, privacy, and security which I prioritize. Also, very few of the things I mentioned were selfhosted, most of them are actual Android apps and don’t require selfhosting.
Shows a severe lack of understanding of what happened, had literally nothing to do with the app, it was a PHISHING attack… I’m not even replying any further to this nonsense.
Oh wow, someone actually banging for security through obscurity. Now that’s beyond ignorant and into the flat out dumb territory.
You are out of your element my guy, you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about… all the most secure software is FOSS. Also, there is no way to verify software doesn’t have backdoors unless it’s FOSS, so both security and privacy experts recommend FOSS above everything. It doesn’t matter if it’s your SSH client or if it’s WireGuard for your VPN or if it’s file encryption like VeraCrypt or if it’s your web server running Apache or nginx or it’s your chat client… security and privacy experts recommend FOSS. Like I said, 90% of web and cloud infrastructure runs FOSS because it is the most reliable and secure software available, but feel free, go ahead, tell me how you would setup a secure webserver with user logins, hashing, and encryption using all proprietary software, I can’t wait! You going to use Windows as your OS to do it? Lmao.