It is against the rules but but what is it exactly?
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Spreading Linux misinformation is saying things about Linux that aren’t true.
Examples:
These can be jokes or trolling like “You can save space by removing the system’s pre-installed French language pack by running
sudo rm -fr /” (disclaimer don’t do this!)Or misconceptions, such as “You probably don’t have a virus even if you suspect it, due to Linux’s nature viruses aren’t possible” (you absolutely can)
That’s genius. Absolutely evil, but genius.
All it’s been doing for at least the past 15 years is throw an error message. Because there really isn’t any reason you’d want to do that on purpose.
I have seen that code block so many times, but never with the options switch around so it stands for french 😂 Thankfully in most cases these days you need to add
--no-preserve-rootfor this command to run.but never with the options switch around
Life pro tip: always put the force flag first on any command line you write (that has such a flag), to ensure that it’s the first thing seen by everyone (including your future self) reading that command line.
I don’t think these things are universal across software, but you can often put
-fon its own, separate from other flags, or get in the habit of using the long--forceflag.As far as I’ve seen, single letter flags like
-fcan always be used by themselves, like-f -rIt’s actually not universal that they can be put together like
-fr
“Arch is stable”
That you can “do everything that windows does”. You can’t. Yoy can do similar things, you can do different things, you can do basic things, yes, but Linux can’t do everything that windows does.
disclaimer: on linux since 2006
Could you give an example of something linux can’t do?
Or are you alluding to windows software not running on linux even with wine etc?
I built an entire theatre using Linux. Architect was on autocad, that was alright, but engineering was on vectorworks & there I had to ask for .dxf exports.
Qlab (macos) is 100% a no-go, I actually own a macbook just for this piece of software.
Isadora runs on wine, but video play is problematic. Isadora is a video mapper/VJ/mixing software.
Of the big three of lighting console software, only Chamsys’ MagicQ runs on Linux. Infuriating when you know Grand MA consoles are linux-based. ETC? Don’t ask.
It’s niche (how about Enttec or DMXKing interfaces configurator?) but it’s my niche. I survive doing things differently, and, yes, owning a dual-boot AsahiLinux/MacOS device.
Not sure if when people say you can “do everything that windows does”, they should be interpreted to mean “every single piece of software/drivers ever written for windows was also written for linux”.
When you work in an industry where the entire collaborative workflow of everyone is based on software that doesn’t run on Linux, then not running that software is equal to not being able to work in that industry.
Yes, you can mix music on Linux PC’s. No, you can’t run a concert venue on Linux PC’s.
Believe me, my team and I have tried. And we yell “fuck this proprietary shit” on a regular basis. But we’re still forced to use it.But I run a summer festival on linux!
- Tech drawings on QCad
- Lights & previz on MagicQ
- Emails etc on firefox
Our media servers are W7 (!) but I access them with VNC. And lots of screens/beamers here are on PI computers.
…then of course we need a windows laptop for the wireless mics, for the FoH configuration, the videowall, stuff like that. Mails and docs are google anyway, remote access is teamviewer.
I can’t run it all on linux, even if I sit at a linux computer the most.
Currently there are three things that stop me from going Linux and two of those are purely software related (the third is that I don’t want to hate my work software anymore than I currently do). Is it vital software in the sense of it allowing me to work or bring me income? No. Is it something I wish to just use without fiddling after every update because I use them for fun? Absolutely yes.
Using this definition then Windows can’t do everything Linux does either, and MaOS can’t do everything Windows and Linux can do.
I don’t think people use that phrase to mean “all Windows software is compatible with Linux”.
Interesting point, but when people want to switch, and they hear Linux can do everything that windows can, they will think that everything they can do on windows can be done on Linux. To make everyone happy, Linux must be a superset. That’s a tough ask.
Another thing Linux can’t do: Run all hardware on many new computers.
Not that much of a problem, just buy different hardware or wait - they’ll address the works. But if someone just bought fancy new hardware, and wants to put Linux on it, there is a decent chance of running into sore spots, or of Linux not booting at all.
That said, it would be pretty clear to say “Linux can’t do everything windows can, and windows can’t do everything Linux can. But for most cases, there’s enough overlap that you’ll be happy on Linux.”
Edit: wording, additional stuff
Windows doesn’t support running on a Raspberry Pi Zero or an M3 mac. And can’t run a lot of the software that Linux runs. If you want to run Windows you just have to buy different hardware…
Usually the phrasing is something like “you can accomplish the same things on Linux that you can on Windows.” Meaning “yes, you can use a web browser, edit photos, use email, etc.” Many people have no idea what an operating system is and what it means to use a different one.
Are you telling someone what they need to do to get windows, converting from Linux?
I made it clear they support different things, even though there’s significant overlap - and that means some of what Windows supports, Linux doesn’t, which is critical info if you’re switching from Windows to Linux. If someone were asking he reverse, I would likely tell them the reverse (if, for example, they were used to running a pi).
Digitally sign a PDF with a couple of clicks.
So far, I have spent about 6 hours (sporadically over the past 3 years) trying to set up a way to do this, yet ultimately it didn’t ever work at all. And every time I end up using some online third party service just to get it over with.
I did it on Windows once and the setup was a simple 5 step wizard. After which digitally signing a document just works with a couple of clicks.
Bonus round:
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on Linux there is only one PDF viewer that implements tripple click for selecting a whole line AND can invert the colors of the document (which helps some partially blind users). That viewer is Atril and it has no way of even attempting to digitally sign a PDF. As soon as you want to di the signing, you lose those two features and people with impairments can’t do their work.
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the screen readers have voices from the 90s and setting up anything modern with them is above my skill grade - as again, I fucked with it for days and didn’t manage to get a natural sounding voice to work. On Windows it is way simpler.
Okular can digitally sign, invert colors (poorly hidden away so you need to customize the toolbar, but it has multiple ways, which is kinda cool).
TTS yes, but there seems to be progress. There is speech-dispatcher which could be used with piperTTS
Okular has no tripple click for whole line selection. Thats exactly why I put a big fat “AND” in my message.
Other than that, setting up digitally signing with Okular never worked for me. Do you have a guide that worked for you?
Oh, read “select a word”
No idea how to setup digital signing.
I’ve setup okular signing and it worked, but I believe it was with a mime certificate tied to my email (and not pgp keys). If you want I can try to figure out exactly what I did to make it work.
Briefly off the top of my head, I believe it was
- Getting a mime certificate for my email from an authority that provides them. There’s one Italian company that will do this for any email for free.
- Converting the mime certificate to some other format
- Importing the certificate to Thunderbird’s (or maybe it was Firefox’s) certificate store (and as a sidequest setting up Thunderbird to sign email with that certificate
- Telling Okular to use the Thunderbird/Firefox certificate store as the place to find certificates
I can’t remember if there was a way to do this with pgp certificates easily
TBH the problem is the PDF format. It was created as proprietary trash. It’s just more adobe software so ofc it doesn’t support linux.
Yes, but still, it’ something that may be commonly required, and Linux can’t do it >!(according to the comment above, I never tried to do it so can’t comment on how hard or easy it is)!<
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Software and hardware support definitely counts.
I would also guess that probably a lot of Microsoft enterprise stuff like active directory group policies likely aren’t supported well, but I don’t have enough knowledge to back that up.
Run 3dsmax.
Linux can’t prevent you from permanently removing files. While in Windows it’s a chore to remove a number of files/bloat, which are then most often back after a system update.
Linux can’t prevent you from permanently removing files.
Some see this as a feature.
It’s 100% a feature! Truly a horrendous approach to lock down a device someone purchased to the extent seen on Windows.
Why do you think Immutable Distros are all the rage tgese days? Beyond deleting shit, there’s always Fucking Up shit.
Immutable Asahi will be a thing some day ;)
For instance, Linux hasn’t started putting ads+AI in everything. It is 2024 people get with the program!
This is correct. Linux doesn’t suck and Windows most definitely does that very well. I’d also add you can do quite advanced things on Linux, as well.
Also disclaiming: Using Linux since 1999
Remember when Bill Gates said that open source software was fascist?
*communist
But honesty they are the same in many respects
How are communism and fascism the same? What definitions are you using?
AFAIK communism advocates for a stateless, classless, moneyless society, while fascism advocates for imperial nationalism and the violent class hierarchies of capitalism, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, etc.
They seem much more like opposites under the standard definitions. I don’t understand doublespeak.
as a Russian who has studied the history of the USSR, i can say that Stalin’s regime might seem like a kind of fascism now, but by no means am I saying that Stalin’s communism was anything like Marx’s or Lenin’s.
How communism was implemented historically is similar to fascism
When things get extreme they get similar. (Strong authoritarian government)
When things get extreme they get similar.
‘Extreme’ is a vague word, but when you’re talking about communism and fascism (or more generally ‘far-left’ and ‘far-right’ ideology), that’s a false generalization known as ‘horseshoe theory’.
There are many clear counter-examples when talking about communism, like the entire school of anacho-communist ideologies and the existing societies stemming from them (including the Zapatista territory in Mexico with a population of around 360,000, or the FEJUVE federation in Bolivia, or the many anarchist communes around the world).
As for the more authoritarian versions (Stalinist, Maoist and related ideologies), despite their strong one-party systems, they are still extremely different to fascist ideologies in their goals and how they use their strong state to achieve them. To say ‘they are the same in many respects’ would apply just as equally to liberal capitalist states like the USA and allies, with their infamously militarized police, constant wars and imperial militarism, strong cult of nationalism (for the US, it’s centered on the Founding Fathers), mass imprisonment and state interference in bodily autonomy.
For example, when someone ask for a command to list files, and another one reply with a command that removes everything.
Or
curl -O https://software.download.prss.microsoft.com/dbazure/Win11_23H2_English_x64v2.iso?t=20e395a3-e609-4696-99fe-f6edcc14f54a&P1=1723809112&P2=601&P3=2&P4=YoihsrepRARlh%2faBo1mABEe7A0aL0yWPYOcR3dNAmlaFPDavFokSpv0oFQybmpuDhG%2f677UBlN%2fRIxY9B3EFVC5TFca%2bXI%2bA%2bQAxqraW1SGCgmpteLlZYntp2E21cpv4RIJ8aifL9z0ecBwNtgwBAY526haPg2RgKhb225RwnAER0EDGWMrDLookFFCm8th8akKETDwKQYQnVKZ%2bJUCTvlt06D42oCJ10fXcVv2D6du6Kuudtc8NgV3DSXPuB4ADK1l951o37bvijDkqAKn70aHyidA5HgdpO5O8K3PPvsre%2bNSVWLbgh7UkEeU1BNMO0INPFiGVqEIaeGorhYxS0w%3d%3dWhy stop there
curl $windows_iso_url | sudo dd of=/dev/sda bs=4M && sudo sync; sudo reboot(Do not run this)
What does sync do?
Makes sure all writes are flushed to disk
On reflection probably not needed as I think reboot does that too
Ah sync from RAM to disk?
Sync the internal drive cache with the disk. IIRC
One example I encountered was with someone I know who mentioned Linux, and I said I use it and he suddenly got fascinated and started asking me how I get anything done when all I have is just a command prompt and how does that work. Somewhere along the way he’d gotten the idea that Linux has no GUI at all and you just do everything in the terminal. Not sure where that idea came from but I was like no dude, it works pretty much like any other OS, it has Firefox and Chrome and stuff. I think he was a bit disappointed lol.
A friend of mine believes similar except it’s that everything in Linux doesn’t actually work and you have to fix it constantly. It’s rather frustrating to deal with.
You don’t know what misinformation is? Basically it’s all kinds of lies, intentional or not.
is a lie a lie if it’s unintentional?
Yes it is, you may not be a liar but still spread lies unknowingly.
But i guess at the end of the day it depends on its creator. If it was intentional then its a lie if not then its misinfo
Someone who lies is a liar. I lie unintentionally all too often, despite my best efforts not to (aside from some leg pulling.) Some people can’t seem to help lying, and some others do it quite intentionally. We humans aren’t very reliable or trustworthy, but we muddle on anyway, and we’re not that bad, mostly.
misinformation != desinformation
Both exist plenty…
Not really but it’s still misinformation.
Outdated launch parameters and environment variables uploaded to ProtonDB
That Wayland works for everybody.
Yes, but “Wayland is trash and will never be better than X” is also misinformation.
Agreed. Both are true.
Linux killed my dog.
That Linux is a single OS where OS means a distro. They end up thinking that there are 3 systems in the world, Windows, Mac and Linux.
They’re pretty close, there are three types of kernels used my majority of modern computers but they since they aren’t really into different OS software they equate it with “there only 3 types of OS GUIs”.
But Linux consists of more than 1 GUI?
Desktop environment to be specific.
